I got a warning from a moderator !

David E

David E

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Yeah, I did !

I won't say by who, but..........

It's very long winded.........

It makes little sense...........

How come I'm not surprised ?????

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locomike said:
Mod sass transcends time and space...
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Do MOds of other subforums get "special" treatment in un modded forums? When someone is posting in a forum as a poster and not moderating business they should get and give what the forum is putting out. Can you imagine get warning in W&C because someone can dish it, but not take it?:rolleyes::confused:



Paul
 
I didn't do it (this time), but if you sass a moderator, you WILL get called on it, no-matter where you posted.
 
Paul, it can be a tricky issue to decide,
but basically, outside of a forum like W&C, the rules are:

1) Be polite to everyone, even if you disagree with them,
2) Be polite to everyone, even to a moderator expressing an opinion on the topic,
3) Don't make a point of criticizing someone's post because they are a moderator.
4) Don't openly show contempt for a moderator's instructions on forum behavior.

The fourth point, of course, is the classic instance of "mod sass" that most people know.
 
question regarding #3, eb.

criticizing a post simply because the poster is a moderator is lame.

however, criticizing a post of someone who happens to be a moderator is something different.

could you clarify your intended meaning?
 
Criticizing a post of someone who happens to be a moderator is perfectly legitimate, as long as the criticism is of the post, not of the person. If you insult the moderator for his opinion, it's the same infraction as insulting anyone else. Only if you insult the moderator for doing his job as a moderator is it "sassing the mod".
 
David E. and I have had an ongoing issue, to where he follows me around from thread to thread and, instead of addressing the issue, he discusses me.

I have called him on it seveal times.

I finally issued a warning to him, as a moderator, which I explained at great length.
I asked him to ignore me, forgive me, have a sense of humor about me, but to stop attacking me in public because, with the moderator label under my name, I thought it would make it harder for other moderators.

I told him if he ran into me another forum he'd know me because I always use my real name, and he could just do what he wants, on another forum.

I believe the other moderators have access to that warning.

In it, I asked him to not contact me privately by PM or e-mail, but that we could talk about it on the phone if he would like.

So what do you think he did?

I've asked the other moderators for coaching, and I remain open to input.

pcnorton said:
Can you imagine get warning in W&C because someone can dish it, but not take it?
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Well, when did we establish that I can dish it but I can't take it?

And, has pcnorton ever seen me in Whine and Cheese?

Further, if David E had treated another forumite the way he treated me, I would have given him a warning, also, just on principle, whether I moderate in Practical Tactical or not.

The guy takes advantage of the courtesy and good manners of others, in this case, me.
I think he took a little pleasure in sassing a moderator and getting away with it.

It got to the point where I decided that allowing this to go on, or to run away from it, did not serve the interests of the forum, nor my fellow moderators.

So, I gave him a long, long explanation of the warning, and, I believe I did not give him an infraction.

Well, when he PM'd me and then made the issue public, I interpreted that as stepping over a line to see what I would do.
He wanted to test the boundaries.

I have decided that my long time practice of tolerance and gentle counsel does not serve me nor the forum.

I have decided to take a different tack from this point forward, and some people might not like it.

If the administrator of this forum doesn't like it, I'll modify my behavior accordingly.

I remain open to the counsel of my fellow moderators, my Supermoderators, and, of course, Spark.
 
Ken Cox said:
David E. and I have had an ongoing issue, to where he follows me around from thread to thread and, instead of addressing the issue, he discusses me.
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In every thread I've seen David post in he has contributed meaningfully and significantly to the subject.
 
AfterTFD said:
In every thread I've seen David post in he has contributed meaningfully and significantly to the subject.
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Yes.

I've observed that as well.

Did AfterTFD have an additional point?

Since AfterTFD has participated in the same threads, does he remember me asking David E and MORIMOTO to stop talking about me and, rather, address the subject?
I made that request as a fellow forumite and not as a moderator.

Does AfterTFD remember how long this went on, and how many times I asked David E to stop talking about me?

Perhaps not.

If I recall, AfterTFD came and went in those threads.

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I have participated in Practical Tactical from day one.

I have consistently presented the same perspective, and, I know the way I see things seems weird to other people.
I can live with that.

People in Practical Tactical have almost always found my perspective on violence, non-violence, mindset and weapons a little...alien...and they have told me so.
I can live with that.

However, at some point, the David E's and others have to stop talking about me, and other people who seem weird to them, and talk about the subject.

I told David E and MORIMOTO to not take it personally, but in order to stop the game, I would ignore them for awhile, just to break the pattern.

It didn't stop, even though I did not respond to their personal comments.

After a couple of weeks of this, I stopped going into Practical Tactical to let it die.

However, MORIMOTO, who double-teamed me with David E, followed me over to the Political Forum to see if he could continue the game, there.
He found out he couldn't and went away.

After letting some time pass, I went back into Practical Tactical, because, after all, I have as much a right as anyone else to full access of the forum.

Some forums I avoid because I know I won't fit in there.

I mean, really, imagine me in Whine and Cheese.

I'd spoil everybody's fun.

Anyway, it started up again in Practical Tactical as if I had not gone away, and I started to wonder if I had done the right thing by letting it go so far.

I gave David E a warning, and, if I recall, no infraction, and included an exhaustive (long-winded) explanation.

So, I think we've gone full circle now.

Yes, I have very strange ideas about violence, weapons and self-defense; and I moderate on two other forums.
Does that mean I have no right to the same respect as any other forumite; and, if no other moderator would call David E on it, then, that left it up to me.

This seems like a big non-issue to me.

No one disrespeted David E or infringed on his forum rights.

A moderator, in this case me, simply asked him to follow the rules.
And I did so countless times, and finally issued a warning with no infraction.

David E made it public and, to anyone who participated on Practical Tactical, he made it clear that he referred to me as the subject moderator.
 
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