I got a warning from a moderator !

[Acolyte2]

Just wanted to say that I've never had a problem with Ken, or his style of moderation. I find him generous and forgiving. In my opinion, Ken moderates with a genuine desire to make the online community a better place for (genuine) people. He's a very fine human being, and not at all ego-driven. Keep up the good work Ken.

Cheers, Acolyte.

 

[AfterTFD]

Yes.

I've observed that as well.

Did AfterTFD have an additional point?

My point was that the statement "instead of addressing the issue, he discusses me" is incorrect because he does address the subject of the threads he participates in, which I assume is what you meant by "the issue". Small details like that irritate me. What else he talks about after having addressed the subject of the thread does not subtract from that.


It wouldn't do me any good to try debating how much either of you have or have not wronged each other because I have an unusually crappy memory about such things. Without access to the search feature or the patience to sift through old discussions it wouldn't do anyone any good for me to take sides.

 

[David E]

Mr. Cox is simply wrong in his assertions.

I do not follow him around as he claims. He, on the other hand, inexplicably shows up in threads I started to specifically get AWAY from his comments and/or his long winded, often off-topic commandeering of other threads.

It seems that Mr. Cox thinks "it" always revolves around HIM, personally. In another thread, I saw him being unnecessarily harsh to another forumite that simply had a different view on the matter. This poster was respectful in every way, but since "it" had become about Mr. Cox, it didn't matter.

I have disagreed with his views on topics of discussion and voiced my differences. I was not rude. He takes disagreement as "sassing" it seems.

I respect the moderators here. Ok, all but one. But I will continue to voice my opinion politely, even if it is contrary to that of a moderator.

.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Yes.

I've observed that as well.

Did AfterTFD have an additional point?

Since AfterTFD has participated in the same threads, does he remember me asking David E and MORIMOTO to stop talking about me and, rather, address the subject?
I made that request as a fellow forumite and not as a moderator.

Does AfterTFD remember how long this went on, and how many times I asked David E to stop talking about me?

Perhaps not.

If I recall, AfterTFD came and went in those threads.

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I have participated in Practical Tactical from day one.

I have consistently presented the same perspective, and, I know the way I see things seems weird to other people.
I can live with that.

People in Practical Tactical have almost always found my perspective on violence, non-violence, mindset and weapons a little...alien...and they have told me so.
I can live with that.

However, at some point, the David E's and others have to stop talking about me, and other people who seem weird to them, and talk about the subject.

I told David E and MORIMOTO to not take it personally, but in order to stop the game, I would ignore them for awhile, just to break the pattern.

It didn't stop, even though I did not respond to their personal comments.

After a couple of weeks of this, I stopped going into Practical Tactical to let it die.

However, MORIMOTO, who double-teamed me with David E, followed me over to the Political Forum to see if he could continue the game, there.
He found out he couldn't and went away.

After letting some time pass, I went back into Practical Tactical, because, after all, I have as much a right as anyone else to full access of the forum.

Some forums I avoid because I know I won't fit in there.

I mean, really, imagine me in Whine and Cheese.

I'd spoil everybody's fun.

Anyway, it started up again in Practical Tactical as if I had not gone away, and I started to wonder if I had done the right thing by letting it go so far.

I gave David E a warning, and, if I recall, no infraction, and included an exhaustive (long-winded) explanation.

So, I think we've gone full circle now.

Yes, I have very strange ideas about violence, weapons and self-defense; and I moderate on two other forums.
Does that mean I have no right to the same respect as any other forumite; and, if no other moderator would call David E on it, then, that left it up to me.

This seems like a big non-issue to me.

No one disrespeted David E or infringed on his forum rights.

A moderator, in this case me, simply asked him to follow the rules.
And I did so countless times, and finally issued a warning with no infraction.

David E made it public and, to anyone who participated on Practical Tactical, he made it clear that he referred to me as the subject moderator.

totally inappropriate for ken cox to bring me up in this discusson.

i did not address ken cox, and have not done so since i was "asked" not to. yet ken cox feels it is ok to mention me specifically.

for the record:

i did focus on the topic of the thread.

i questioned a particular statement made by ken cox, which i believe, he never addressed.

he then accused me of taking things personally, following him around, and attacking him, in a rather non sequitor fashion.

 

[Ken Cox]

I have little doubt David E and MORIMOTOM consider their versions of this story factual and sincere.

I could see that, even during our conflict, they could not distinguish between the subject and me.

I can live with that up to a point, and I think I've made that point clear (to me, anyway).

So, where do we go from here?

As for myself, I can see MY path.

No mysteries nor doubts there, for me.

If Spark sees it differently, he'll let me know, and I'll adjust accordingly.

In the meantime, sweet dreams to all.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

and this means what, exactly? that we are simply the blind leading the blind and ken cox has taken the moral high ground?


telling me not to address him, then calling me out in public fashion is nothing short of hypocritical.

 

[Ken Cox]

I intended to go to bed, but I walked my dog, first.

Four degrees below zero, and the dog goes out there buck nekkid and enjoys it.

I shouldn't have checked the forum before going to bed, but I did.

telling me not to address him, then calling me out in public fashion is nothing short of hypocritical.

Yes, I'd call that hypocritical if it went down as MORIMOTOM described it.

I asked MORIMOTOM and David E to not talk about me, but to address the subject.

They didn't stop talking about me, then.
They couldn't see it, and, I couldn't expect them to stop doing what they couldn't see.
I understand.
I have that T-Shirt myself.

So, I let David E and MORIMOTOM know, in the interests of getting along, I would not respond to their posts, and I asked them to not take it personally.

In my humble opinion, MORIMOTOM only stopped talking about me when he realized I wouldn't take the bait.
I apologize for judging MORIMTOM's behavior, but, it looks that way to me.
To him, it might look the other way around, as if, perhaps, I baited him.

As for "calling" MORIMOTOM out, I didn't exactly bring him into this thread.

He came here on his own.

I guess he has a dog in this fight, or thinks he does.
Same thing.

He also appeared over in the Political Forum right after I stopped participating in Practical Tactical, and he tried similar behaviors there.
They didn't work for him without a tag partner, and he soon disappeared, not to return.

An appearance by MORIMOTOM coinciding with me leaving Practical Tactical...

Hm.

How often has MORIMOTOM participated in the Political Forum?
Maybe hundreds of times, and, you know how random events work, somehow I missed all of those times.
It happens.

I'll give MORIMOTO the benefit of the doubt.

I apologize.

I very possibly read something into MORIMOTOM's appearance in the Political Forum that didn't reflect MORIMOTOM's true intent.
A good thing David E didn't show up at the same time, for it would make doubt much harder to maintain.

What would MORIMOTOM like to see come from all this?

Would he like to see me publicly humiliated?

Stripped of my moderator status?

Banned from BladeForums?

Whatever MORIMOTOM wants, for my part, I take no offense and I apologize.
I could have it all inside out and backwards.

No sarcasm.

Fingers raised in a peace sign "V."

But, I've got to walk my walk, and I will.

As long as I moderate here, I'll moderate, and if people don't like, well, good; I hope they don't like it.

Maybe we'll all grow from the experience.

I know I've had a good stretch.

Anybody else?

 

[MORIMOTOM]

no, i dont expect ken cox to be stripped of his moderator status, humiliated publicly, nor do i want either.

the thread in political (current events) was moved there from another forum (community, iirc), where i had posted my opinions originally. i followed the thread to current events, where i rarely even read anything, much less post. in fact, the posts in that thread may be my only posts ever in the political forums.

no, you did not "bring me in to this thread, but addressed me, and made accusations. prior to this i did not address you, or have any intent on doing so. i didnt even mention your name. yet you mention me how many times in that post? and in regards to a thread that is weeks old (at least regarding our exchange) and has nothing to do with this thread, at least that i can see.

you rehashed the old stuff, i didnt. nor did david e as far as i can tell. i hoped to leave it behind, but....

i had no dog in this fight, read my post. i asked for a simple clarification about esav's post. if it didn't go down as i described in this thread, then how did it go down?

and you keep saying we were "talking about you". for one who repeatedly tells others not to take things personally, it seems you fail to take your own advice. and we certainly were not the only ones who failed to see any explanation given, we were just the most persistant. at no point do is see where either of us went off topic any more than anyone else participating in the thread. it is the nature of long threads that the discussion goes in different directions. you are as guilty of going off topic as either of us.

the thread is still there, anyone can read it. i have not, nor will i, edit for any content.


as i said previously, we will probably nearly always disagree on most things fundamentally, which is fine. and you may or may not have noticed i avoid the vast majority of threads in which you post. not because i disagree with your opinions or observations, necessarily, but it was my intention to leave you alone as you instructed.

back to the question of expectations, i only expect of ken cox what he expects of me. your moderator responsibilities aside, i wont discuss you if you dont discuss me. i have no intention of rubbing my ass on anyone here.

i wasnt baiting you, nor did i think you were baiting me. i stopped talking to you, about you, and in that forum, because you asked/told me to. that simple.


if your apology is indeed sincere, and i believe it is, than i accept. i also offer an apology to ken cox for anything untoward i have done, posted, said.

 

[pcnorton]

Ken,

The whine and cheese statement was a hypothetical about using mod status as a shield for what goes on in a specific forum, when participating as a regular member. No where did I mean to say you went into W&C and couldn't take it. I was using this as a example to clarify what I think is going on.

I have had very aggressive exchanges with David E. I found him to be committed to his point of view. I didn't find his posts out of line. `I have read the posts in the thread he started and you voluntarily entered (following him, not the other way around). He made comments about the nature of your posts, not your person.

I would think that your writing style has lot to do with your percieved persecution. E-Prime doesn't read well IMHO. Also you have a habit of putting superfluous info in your post and do not go direct to issue. I highly doubt is has anything to do with your mod status as you historically haven't used this.


I find it chilling to think you would use your mod status to cease criticism to your posts.

Paul



Paul

 

[Don Rearic]

I have had a tiff or two dozen...perhaps...with Mr. Cox in the past. He didn't understand my sense of humor in a private message between us and I can't blame him for that because my humor is like early Warner Brothers humor and not many adults can stand that.

Yet, I have written things, years after that disagreement online, and he had the honesty to tell me I was right about something, a point of view, etc.

That is more honesty and manhood than I can muster for some people I have had arguments with online.

I have had more than one tiff with Esav, I wish him no ill will whatsoever. At the end of the day, it's the g*ddamned internet, after all...

 

[Bastid]

I have had more than one tiff with Esav, I wish him no ill will whatsoever. At the end of the day, it's the internet, after all...

That is exactly where some miss the boat.

It is part of the knife community where you are in here.

 

[Don Rearic]

Perhaps it's just because I'm tired at the moment, but I don't know if you agreed with me or not, you could take it either way.

 

[JatMat]

It can be a tricky issue to decide,
but basically, outside of a forum like W&C, the rules are:

1) Be polite to everyone, even if you disagree with them,
2) Be polite to everyone, even to a moderator expressing an opinion on the topic,
3) Don't make a point of criticizing someone's post because they are a moderator.
4) Don't openly show contempt for a moderator's instructions on forum behavior.

The fourth point, of course, is the classic instance of "mod sass" that most people know.

Well said and needs a reread.
James

 

[Spark]

Looks like I'm going to need to move Tactics & Training under Community to keep people from thinking there are "no rules"

 

[Ken Cox]

I find it chilling to think you would use your mod status to cease criticism to your posts.

Ah, and here we get to a core issue.

Pcnorton may feel chilled about real things, or about imaginary things, but that does not mean I WOULD use my moderator status to address criticisms of my post; nor that I did.

Now, for clarification, which way did pcnorton mean it?

Did he mean that I DID use my moderator status to bully another forumite, because I couldn't "take it?"

Or, did he mean the use of the word WOULD conjecturally?

Like, "I know Ken Cox didn't use his moderator status inappropriately, but, if he ever did, it WOULD chill me.

However pcnorton meant it, it sounds to me like he has judged me in his court of personal opinion, and found me guilty of abuse of authority.

If he said that to me privately, I could live with it.

However, he has said what he said, however he meant it, in the context of this particular thread.

Now, I wonder how he meant it, and how other people read his words.

In my humble opinion, if I used my authority as moderator to bully another forumite because I couldn't "take it," then Spark should relieve me of my duty as moderator, and even consider banning me.

In fact, if Spark and my fellow moderators perceived me as someone who would abuse authority, I'd resign and leave the forum out of shame; and I think the forum community would see it as no loss to the forum.

And, if I did abuse my authority, I'd need to own that and learn from it.

I'd rather face it and learn from it than live a lie.

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He didn't understand my sense of humor in a private message between us and I can't blame him for that because my humor is like early Warner Brothers humor and not many adults can stand that.

Yes, in those days (it seems a long time ago), I didn't know Don from Adam.

It made for a rocky start, but, with a little help, I eventually figured it out.

I've since enjoyed the threads in which Don and I have co-participated, and I thank him for that.

 

[Don Rearic]

Why go through the trouble of moving it? You own the joint, just tell'em there are rules and if they didn't think there were rules then they were wrong.

 

[Don Rearic]

Yes, in those days (it seems a long time ago), I didn't know Don from Adam.

It made for a rocky start, but, with a little help, I eventually figured it out.

I've since enjoyed the threads in which Don and I have co-participated, and I thank him for that.

It has been a long, long time. And indeed a rocky one at times. I've mellowed a tiny bit. I see some people fighting the same strainer and it is non-productive. Then again, perhaps a good tiff is still a good thing every now and again, even this friction created by this thread is a good thing, ultimately.

 

[Spark]

Why go through the trouble of moving it? You own the joint, just tell'em there are rules and if they didn't think there were rules then they were wrong.

Since there are only a couple subforums under it anyhow, it makes sense to put it in the Community Center. Makes it cleaner up top as well. Plus I'm doing housekeeping also, and adding new subforums for other areas.

 

[Don Rearic]

Could you possibly put the other two sub-forums from training in the same area for continued one stop shopping of similar information?

 

[infobound1]

Its a warning ,live with it, I responded after reading this thread to my first infraction from weeks ago, I inquired about a blade for sale and included (unbenonst to me) a similar thread from the company store advertising a decanter, I did not realize that it was a knife to small for my oversize mitts, I was just trying to get info on a new pork buy! 2 weeks after the initial post I receive a infraction! After mulling the infraction for 2 weeks i explain my position to the mod, and things be what may, that is the way it is, if you enjoy the forumn and want to coexist, live with it!!! Trying to buy a container for my jim beam for over 100.00 cost me a infraction, welcome to the real world!