I guess I never have been enamored with SAKs

Why are they so great except for being unobstrusive in hand and in pocket?

Let's compare a two-blade jack and a basic SAK like the Spartan. There's nothing the jack can do that the Spartan can't, but there's loads the Spartan can do that the jack can't. Step up to a thicker SAK and you get even more functionality ..... plus the same large and pen blade to handle all the basic cutting you'd expect any pocketknife to handle.

With that said, my main EDC is a simple Case peanut. I generally carry a Sears 4-way screwdriver in my wallet (though I've never used it) and a tool of some kind on my key chain*. But for trips, or days out in the woods, 9 times out of 10, I choose one from my small SAK collection.

-- Mark



* Either my Victorinox Rambler, Leatherman Micra or Screwpop.
 
I've owned sak's, and carried sak's, but I have always had mixed feeling about them. They sure don't have the appeal of nice jigged bone or stag, or even nice grained wood. THey don't hold a cutting edge as long as some, but do hold a decent edge good enough for day to day use. They sure do well in wet environments that would rust my little CV and damascus peanuts. They have good and bad points about them. They do have nice flat ground blades, that even when less than shaving sharp, seem to still cut. The screw drivers are a little too polished, and over on a ask forum, it's common knowledge to take a large mill file, and square up the screw driver edges. I did it to mine, and it changed the whole dynamics of the drivers.

I admit I don't have any use for the big ones. The ones that have wood chisels and fish scalers, and such. I've always like two layers at best, like the tinker size. But my absolute favorite ask is the little 58mm ones. They are small enough to fit on a keyring, the tools really work, and I've actually fixed things with the little screw driver tip on the nail file blade. The little scissors are sharp and really work. That SD tip fits all the phillips screws that are holding the world together. The tweezers have pulled a tick now and then off our welsh corgi, and splinters out of me and the kids. I've taken apart and put back together a clothes dryer door with my SD classic when fixing a broken door latch. I've fixed a door knob assembly with the same as it fit the little phillips screws holding everything together. A fishing reel, electric trolling motor out in the middle of a lake, and a stalled Vespa motor scooter out on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere, all fixed in a minute with a sak.

But...

I still have mixed feelings, as my old stand by wallet tools, consisting of a Sears 4-way keychain screw driver and my old army P-38, will do the same thing, and have done similar things, when I didn't have a ask on hand.
Add to the fact that the standard tools on a ask are becoming obsolete with changes in our society, and production methods, and a sak looses points with me, except the 58mm. I do love the little classic.

I see more and more canned goods having pull tops. All the Campbell soups are pull tops, and Tuna fish is in nice little foil packs that can be cut open with a sharp knife. So that does away with the can opener in time. More and more companies are going to twist off tops, so that rules out the bottle opener. I even saw an article in a magazine, where the wine companies are seriously looking at twist off caps, because the supply of good cork is shrinking, and the plastic liner on twist off's actually seal better in tests. Not that I drink wine, can't stand the stuff. Plus, when my college going son showed me how to open a imported beer without a real opener, I felt liberated. No more need of a dedicated bottle opener. Drop a flat little P-38 in your wallet or on your keyring, and that eliminates one whole layer of a sak tinker plus the phillips driver on the back. The flat end of a P-38 makes a decent flat screw driver, and the sharper of the two bottom corners make a decent phillips driver. For the two knife blades I've got my Case peanut with the Devin Thomas damascus blades that will out cut any sak ever made. I like sak's, but I reached a point in my life where I'd rather carry a few flat little tools in my wallet for the once in a while need, and carry a real knife with better cutting and looks. I'm closer to the end than the beginning, and what's left of the rest of my life is too short for carrying an ugly knife. Or even a plain one.

But I do see the use for the keychain size like the classics, rambler, mini champ. They serve more like an emergency backup for life's little unforeseen suburban problems.

Carl.

:thumbup: :D I guess that sums up my feelings... about the obsolete items too. Real tools and a real knife (or two) is all I need.
 
Before retirement out of the Special Operations community back in 1993, everyone I served with carried a SAK of some sort. No matter what else was carried in the way of cutlery or tools, a SAK was always present. Having a SAK along was a habit I developed back then, and still do today (with a career that takes me to some of the more "interesting" places around the globe). No matter where I go, I'll have a SAK somewhere on me or in the gear I'm carrying along. While I can appreciate the P-38 can opener and the Sears 4-way screwdriver, the SAK combines all of those tools in one easy-to-carry item. As to their ease of sharpening, I have always found them easy to sharpen to razor sharpness, with whatever type of sharpening device I had handy.

Here's the one I carry with me the most, a Victorinox Farmer modified with the addition of scissors:

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Regards,
Ron
 
I'll be the first to admit that I don't consider most SAKs to posses the same beauty and soul (for want of a better word) as their other traditional cousins but they still have a certain character and charm all their own. Not to mention their excellent value and universal acceptance among all but the most fervent anti-knife people.

I've had numerous variations since I've been old enough to hold a knife and, to this day, I'll always have several laying around that I enjoy using and that happily coexist with my other pocket knives.

Here are a few of my favorites (note: they don't necessarily need to be crammed full of tools either;))

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I find the Rambler to be an absolutely essential piece of everyday gear.

The Secretary makes an awesome "suit knife".

The Pioneer Settler is slim, lightweight, bombproof, and exhibits great walk and talk with nearly perfect pull/snap - all for around $18 when they were readily available.
 
I love SAKs partly because a Huntsman was my first knife as a boy and I carried it until I was thirty. I have always loved the sheer utility of the things. Now my most common edc is a Victorinox Spirit multitool, which is even more aesthetically challenged than a SAK. :D
 
Because I'm a watch collector I use the analogy of a Timex quartz vs. a handwinding watch, with the SAK being the quartz of course.
My "grail" Swiss Army knife is the Wenger Minathor, a watchmaker's tool knife. Then I can combine my hobbies of watches and knives :thumbup:
 
The other day I was trying to fix our dishwasher. I wanted to take a cover off of the door to get at the innards. The darn screws were those Torx type things. I never had a Torx screwdriver and didn't fancy having to drive to a store and paying for one just for one little job. I was stuck...till I remembered the small driver on my Wenger SI.
It took those Torx screws out no trouble at all (Still didn't manage to fix the dishwasher :-( Could I do that with my beautiful traditionals? Sure....if I snapped the tip off the small blade on my Peanut to fit the Torx but that would be silly. I love carrying all my knives, but when I carry my Case or Boker or whatever, there is always a SAK not far from reach, but when I carry my SAK Pioneer I don't take a Stockman or a Barlow along 'just in case'. As I said, I love all my knives, but if I fell off the fence so to speak, I'd hope it was on the Swiss side :-)
 
They aint purdy, and they don't have the latest fad steal. All they do is get the job done.
 
I'm a little surprised that some of you have such low opinions of saks. I guess what works for one doesn't always work for another. Six or eight years ago I got a couple of saks around Christmas time. Prior to that time I had no experience with them and considered them toys or novelties. Over time I have really come to respect the lowly sak and they have become the core of my edc set up. I will take a sak and a pair of real pliers over a Leatherman type tool every time.
Jim
 
If GEC or somebody made a good Vic Farmer clone with stag and carbon steel, I’d buy two.

I’d buy three.
 
I'm a little surprised that some of you have such low opinions of saks. I guess what works for one doesn't always work for another. Six or eight years ago I got a couple of saks around Christmas time. Prior to that time I had no experience with them and considered them toys or novelties. Over time I have really come to respect the lowly sak and they have become the core of my edc set up. I will take a sak and a pair of real pliers over a Leatherman type tool every time.
Jim

I don't have a low opinion of asks, in fact the opposite. I have long held Victorinox as a gold standard in fit and finish and consistent manufacture. They are handy to have around, and are very well made. I love my little classic that is a permanent fixture on my keyring. Made it so I can't leave home without it. But if it got lost today, I'd just go by Walmart and get another one just like it. I'd be a little miffed over the loss, but it wouldn't be a huge loss. Now if my precious, my damascus peanut went missing, I'd tear the house apart, and grieve if it was gone. Yet the peanut can't do many of the things the little classic can. But there is two sides to our personal psyches, the ego and id. The emotional and the intellectual. On the intellectual side of my brain, I admit they sak is a handy thing to have around, and will in all honesty do what has do be done with a pocket knife, plus many things that can't be done with a 'normal' pocket knife. Dealing with screws, opening a can that is not yet pop top.

But on the emotional side, they just don't push some button that makes me love them like nice old jigged bone or stag, with a blade that gets as gray as the owner. I like sak's, but I don't love them. On the other hand, I love well seasoned traditional pocket knives like I have described. I'd rather carry a few keychain tools to deal with the once in a while tool need, and carry a knife that I love. Looks matter to me at this point. I appreciate beauty for the sake of it. I love natural materials. For some reason I don't totally understand, they invoke something in me that the sterile sak does not. Just as I can't stand AR's, AK's, and black pistols.

I want nice aged walnut on a rifle, with the patina of years of linseed oil rub downs. Faded blue finish thats worn a little silvery that tells tales of great hunts long ago. A past. The new stuff just does not do that for me. I know the AR is a good gun, and I carried one for Uncle Sam. But after I got out of the army, I never wanted to see another one, let alone own one. Personal bias and preference. Give me a well worn old Marlin lever action or old CZ bolt action. They speak to me, the other one don't don't. Same with knives. If they don't speak to me, I'm not interested.

Carl.
 
The Farmer model has everything that you could want except maybe a toothpick and those sadly weak tweezers.
 
I find the Rambler to be an absolutely essential piece of everyday gear.

+1

I keep my Rambler in my jean's coin pocket all the time. I was replacing an idler pulley on my truck and the bolt had a retaining washer that needed to removed to pull it out. I used the tiny screwdriver tip from my Rambler to pry it out far enough to grab it with a needle nose pliers. I love that little SAK!
 
lol this whole discussion is funny.

nobody really thinks they are bad or useless (although some seem to think the leatherman is better as a pocket tool kit)
many of us go on about how handy they are..

its all aesthetics, if the blades were carbon steel, if they handles were stag/bone, if the spearpoint was a clip point instead
lol, i think most of us are missing the point.

At the heart of the discussion, SAK's are affordable, reliable, handy, pocket tools that can be gotten cheaply, easily and last a good long time
the essence of the traditional pocket knife/working knife

our grandfathers didnt buy carbon steel because it was better than stainless, (well perhaps for a short time, until stainless got up to speed) but for a long time carbon steel was the ONLY kind of steel they COULD buy. Yes there was a window (1920? to about 1960) when stainless first came out and people started figuring out how to make it work. But before that, there was no choice, just carbon steel knives. And how folks jumped all over buck 110s in stainless :p

How many knives prior to the swiss alox models had metal scales? I bet not many, and those that did took a while to get up to speed like the blades. People made handles out of what was cheap and available (bone, wood for the most part, stag/horn for a little nicer handle for the "gentleman". Although Douk douks go back a ways and were metal, and were popular from what i understand.

We constantly reminisce about our ancestors pocket tools, but forget the important parts. For many (most?) they just wanted a cheap, effective, cutting tool. Something that they could get cheaply, easily and would last...

sounds familiar doesnt it?


Sorry, not trying insult or put down anyone, it just struck me as funny as I re-read this entire thread. We get caught up in the collectability, aesthetics or nostalgia of a very specific segment of the history of pocket knives and forget the fact that the SAK is the living decedent of the very things we claim to admire about traditional pocket knives

just my 2 cents
 
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lol this whole discussion is funny.

nobody really thinks they are bad or useless (although seem to think the leatherman is better as a pocket tool kit)
many of us go on about how handy they are..

its all aesthetics, if the blades were carbon steel, if they handles were stag/bone, if the spearpoint was a clip point instead
lol, i think most of us are missing the point.

At the heart of the discussion, SAK's are affordable, reliable, handy, pocket tools that can be gotten cheaply, easily and last a good long time
the essence of the traditional pocket knife/working knife

our grandfathers didnt buy carbon steel because it was better than stainless, (well perhaps for a short time, until stainless got up to speed) but for a long time carbon steel was the ONLY kind of steel they COULD buy. Yes there was a window (1920? to about 1960) when stainless first came out and people started figuring out how to make it work. But before that, there was no choice, just carbon steel knives.

How many knives prior to the swiss had metal scales? I bet not many, and those that did took a while to get up to speed like the blades. People made handles out of what was cheap and available (bone, wood for the most part, stag/horn for a little nicer handle for the "gentleman"

We constantly reminisce about our ancestors pocket tools, but forget the important parts. For many (most?) they just wanted a cheap, effective, cutting tool. Something that they could get cheaply, easily and would last...

sounds familiar doesnt it?


Sorry, not trying insult or put down anyone, it just struck me as funny as I re-read this entire thread. We get caught up in the collectability, aesthetics or nostalgia of a very specific segment of the history of pocket knives and forget the fact that the SAK is the living decedent of the very things we claim to admire about traditional pocket knives

just my 2 cents

I still don't like 'em. ;)
 
I hear you man. They are ever so useful, and I have at least a dozen of them. I carries nothing but SAKs for years. DECADES even!

But after a while, I just found myself longing for something different. Something that makes me smile when I pull it out of my pocket, fondle it, and admire it visually.

Now, I'm on a Traditionals kick. They have SOOO much character and old American style good looks.

I will admit to occasionally missing the tools though! I'm carrying a Buck 309 "Companion" now, with rosewood scales.
 
if that is such a big deal...
why is it people talk about re-handling traditional knives all the time
nobody ever talks about re-handling a sak with stag or wood (although i have seen a couple pics of people doing that)
 
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