I have a sudden, new interest in traditional folders-question about brands/quality

Hello, Eric.

I'm someone who was in the same boat as you about a year and a half ago, coming from buying modern folders almost exclusively. Today, I buy many more traditional splijoints than modern folders. This is what I learned:

1- Production slipjoints usually have poorer fit and finish than a good comparably priced modern folder. Say, comparing a $100 GEC to a $100 Spyderco, invariably you'll find higher quality of materials and construction in the latter. Therefore, lower you expectations in this regard.

2- Buying without being able to inspect a production slipjoint is a roll of the dice. My record so far is that I had to send back for repair or adjustment 2 out of 3 slipjoints bought like that. Mostly, it's because of off-centered blades rubbing the liners, especially in multiblade knives. I had good experience with Case repairs, but very poor with GEC repairs. Your best bet is to buy knives good from the onset.

3- The only exception I found so far regarding the two points above comes from A.G. Russel. Well made knives all around with a price/quality ratio comparable to what you are probably used to expect.

4- If you want quality slipjoints, you have to go custom or to Case/Bose collab knives. That means paying > $200 for a quality slipjoint with a modern steel. ATS-34 is the standard used by many (possibly most) makers, but you can find 154CM and even S30V is starting to appear.

5- It's all a matter of personal preference and there are many differing opinions. In the end, even after reading so much here in this forum (which is a great place to learn), I found that only experimentation got me to a point where I feel comfortable with my purchases. But I have had quite a share of disappointment and learning the hard way. On retrospect, I still don't know of a better way to reach the point where I'm at.

I hope the points above help you in your quest. Like others have said, you're now in a slippery slope of obsessive addiction. Take it easy :)
 
I only use modern folders right now, but I've been looking at traditionals lately, too. What do people here think of Böker's traditional slipjoints and lockbacks? Some of the German ones look pretty nice; really liking the bone handles, nickel bolsters, and brass liners. Is the quality comparable to other brands in the same price range?
 
boker's german made traddy's are good quality. the best factory traditional folders i.m.o. are great eastern.--dennis of course the case bose are in a class by themself.
 
Well, after a lot of reading and internet window shopping, I ordered a GEC trapper.

Then after reading Cisco's post, I immediately ordered an AG Russell Sowbelly trapper and gunstock in the brown rucarta.

I'll be sure to post pics once I get them all.

I hate you guys!
 
Queen and knives made by them are in D2 steel, and the Schatt & Morgan File & Wire series are ATS34. If you want steel with fine edge retention, you can get it with Queen or Schatt & Morgan knives.
I have had some finish or blade play problems in some knives from Queen. They will fix this for you, but it does take some time.
Queen also makes knives under other names, like Northwood. I recently picked up a Northwood gunstock pattern. Fit and finish is excellent. The blades are centered with no play. The quality of fit and finish is just a little shy of the more expensive Moki knives, and that is very good.
If you buy a Queen and there is a problem, Queen will fix it for you. You will have to be patient. When I have sent in a knife to Queen because of a problem, the knife has come back with the problem fixed.
 
Something I've found true of traditional pocketknives: No matter the fit/finish out of the box, and no matter the "pedigree" of the blade steel, a good one will get better with use. Once you put some nicks and knocks and mileage on 'er, once you've dulled and sharpened 'er a few dozen times, then you're almost ready to pass judgement on whether you got your money's worth or not. You can't buy a perfect slipjoint, but you can make a slipjoint perfect with lots of time and memories. :-)

-- Mark
 
Mark is right. My Case Swayback Jack was flawless when new but now is even better as the bolsters take on a pocket polish of keys and change. The CV steel now has a natural patinia from cutting food and limes. It is really looking like what a traditional should look like.... loved and used!

Something I've found true of traditional pocketknives: No matter the fit/finish out of the box, and no matter the "pedigree" of the blade steel, a good one will get better with use. Once you put some nicks and knocks and mileage on 'er, once you've dulled and sharpened 'er a few dozen times, then you're almost ready to pass judgement on whether you got your money's worth or not. You can't buy a perfect slipjoint, but you can make a slipjoint perfect with lots of time and memories. :-)

-- Mark
 
boker's german made traddy's are good quality. the best factory traditional folders i.m.o. are great eastern.--dennis of course the case bose are in a class by themself.

Thanks! The GEC knives do look pretty nice. I'm also looking at the Queen knives; really like the combination of quality with good blade steel. I'm noticing, though, that a lot of traditional folders have smaller blades. I see that Queen has some with bigger blades, are there more like that from other companies?
 
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