I just screwed up my manix 2 pro helps needed

samclaymore said:
...I admit to disliking The style of your knives and I have never bought one.
...What am I missing? Are you still worth looking at? Should I keep paying attention, till I see a style I do like? ...
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Since you seem to be a person who forms opinions based solely on pictures and judge the value of a knife without ever having used it, the answers to your three questions are "Nothing, no and no." Move along and have a nice life.
 
samclaymore said:
SMH for two reasons. Firstly, it sucks breaking a knife. I'm sure Spyderco will take care of you. Secondly, why is a knife maker using plastic parts in the inner workings of their knives? Other than to save money.

I'm not trying to rattle any cages here but I feel I need to do this. SpyderCo. I hope you aren't still using plastic parts on the inner workings of you knives. Because although I admit to disliking The style of your knives and I have never bought one. All of the agulation you guys receive around from proud Spyder owners has always left me wondering. What am I missing? Are you still worth looking at? Should I keep paying attention, till I see a style I do like?

Then I see a post like this and my interest is totally blown. Because plastic is used instead of any number of metals available. I read this knife is several years old & you may have changed you practices. (and if it has I will edit or accept the move to the D.A.T.) If so, kudos and I'll keep watching. If not, have a nice day...
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Ignorance is...ignorance. We went through this back when the knife was introduced. You'd double the cost of the knife if you manufactured that cage out of anything other than polymer, or you'd have to change the design. Spyderco went through a lot of design work to make that cage work as long as people don't f*ck with it. Face facts: the knife didn't need to be taken apart in the first place. It certainly didn't need to be taken apart by someone who couldn't reassemble it.
 
It's a little disconcerting to hear about something like that which may be lurking inside my Manix 2, but I don't intend to take it apart. I also found the pinned construction disconcerting at first. But as a software engineer, I appreciate the value of something that's not over-engineered. If it were any other company selling me plastic knives riveted together and telling me they were for hard use, I'd be skeptical. But this is Spyderco, and I trust my Manix 2.

People were even talking smack about the CTS BD1 and so far it's been awesome. I'm no steel genius, but I know good performance when I see it. The Manix is awesome.
 
TheOutdoorNerd said:
Has anyone ever seen one of those plastic pins break under normal use?
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There is next to no stress on that lock release and I've had no trouble and have only read once or twice of "normal use" failure. I remain skeptical.
 
As has already been pointed out, Spyderco upgraded the cages a few years ago. I'm pretty sure they were offering free replacement to anybody having a problem with the clear cage...but I'm not sure that included breakage during disassembly/reassembly (which voids the warranty, anyway).
 
I spent a while studying my Manix, and it looks like the only way that pin could see any shearing force under normal use is if the little channel it rides in is misaligned. It would have to be borked from the factory.

If I try to snap the knife in half with my right thumb over the cage and my left thumb over the spydie hole, I can get the entire cage to bend a little, but it's still pretty rigid with that solid block of steel reinforcing it. To test it further I would need to put it in a vice.

Repeatedly stressing the cage did however make the lock a little sticky when closing the knife. But it only sticks a tiny bit, and it's still a fair trade seeing with my own eyes how strong the cage is. With the amount of force I put on it, under real use I wouldn't just get a fixed blade, I'd get a pry bar. I'm glad I saw this thread and learned more about the design.
 
TheOutdoorNerd said:
I spent a while studying my Manix, and it looks like the only way that pin could see any shearing force under normal use is if the little channel it rides in is misaligned. It would have to be borked from the factory.

If I try to snap the knife in half with my right thumb over the cage and my left thumb over the spydie hole, I can get the entire cage to bend a little, but it's still pretty rigid with that solid block of steel reinforcing it. To test it further I would need to put it in a vice.

Repeatedly stressing the cage did however make the lock a little sticky when closing the knife. But it only sticks a tiny bit, and it's still a fair trade seeing with my own eyes how strong the cage is. With the amount of force I put on it, under real use I wouldn't just get a fixed blade, I'd get a pry bar. I'm glad I saw this thread and learned more about the design.
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You are right (bolded text above), but that never happens in normal use - but it happens frequently when the knife is improperly reassembled, as in this case. :(
 
TheOutdoorNerd said:
It's a little disconcerting to hear about something like that which may be lurking inside my Manix 2, but I don't intend to take it apart. I also found the pinned construction disconcerting at first. But as a software engineer, I appreciate the value of something that's not over-engineered. If it were any other company selling me plastic knives riveted together and telling me they were for hard use, I'd be skeptical. But this is Spyderco, and I trust my Manix 2.

People were even talking smack about the CTS BD1 and so far it's been awesome. I'm no steel genius, but I know good performance when I see it. The Manix is awesome.
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I think Sal and Erik know what they are doing :) :

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I've had several Manix 2s. I had a green Carpenter Manix 2, my first, that I gave to my friend Dave because he liked it. I got another Manix 2. I had a Manix 2 XL that fell out of my pocket in Afghanistan (I think it caught on a seat belt). :( I had a Manix 2 LW in Afghanistan that I gave to another officer. I had an Manix 2 XL that I loved, but gave to a contractor buddy in Afghanistan who had no knife. I got another. I gave my 2nd Manix 2 LW to a young friend after I got back from Afghanistan. I got a black M2LW.
Okay, so that's, um, 8 Manix 2s I've had? And out of those, I have had a grand total of 1 case of a bit of rolling due to me cutting an industrial copper cable so we could sell the equipment to local nationals in Afghanistan. That's the extent of "failure" I have experienced, and it was absolutely due to abuse. I trust my Manix 2s as much as any folder in the world, and more than even many fixed blades.
Camp Dwyer uncontrolled dump site, Helmand Province, Afghanistan, 2012.
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Surfingringo said:
I highlighted the parts of your post that caught my attention. You may or may not be right about the material of the lock mechanism. There may indeed be a better material they could use and there is nothing wrong with offering your opinion about that. Said opinion would carry much more weight if you had actually owned and used the product being discussed rather than just seen pictures of it. I have owned a couple of the knives and used them hard and never had any issues. I also spend a lot of time on the forums and can't recall seeing ANY cases of the material failing except from human error when someone disassembled/assembled their knife.

One of the many cool things about Spyderco though is that they listen very closely to their customer base. They constantly improve and adapt their designs based on the feedback of their users. Hell, many changes (and even new models) have come about as a direct result of the feedback of the people on this forum. So welcome to the Spyderco forum and feel free to share your feedback and opinions here. Feedback on a couple of knives that you actually own would be even more useful. And who knows, you might even answer your own question in the process. You would be far from the first who didn't really "get it" until they carried and used the actual knives. :)
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Amen SG. I was about to say the same thing.
 
I thought the Manix 2 looked to big in the photos. But I bought one, and I thought it looked too big in person. Then I held it my hand, and realized how light this LW version is. I've been infatuated with it since. I even agree that it looks like it would ride too wide in the pocket, but I don't notice it at all. I'm still not a big fan of how stiff the lock is, but I've solved that by flicking it open with the spydie hole and just using the lever (?) to close it.

So, I would agree what everyone is saying that's it's hard to understand this awesome knife until you carry it and use it.

Here's mine. Now I can't wait for the blurple S110V version.

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