I Know, Here We Go Again! What’s Your Favorite Steel, Carbon Or Stainless?

Everyone should get what they want and enjoy. That being said, for anything even APPROACHING normal to hard use, stainless is more than enough, and probably checks the box in almost every important category.

This is a 3/32" thick blade of CPM154 stainless with a ridiculously thin edge geometry at 60 HRC. Someone please explain where stainless is weak to me, or where carbon steel would have done better. I'll wait.🤔😎😎


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Jerry Halfrich always told me for years that the reason he builds his knives from CPM-154 is for its balance. Doesn't make it the best at any one thing, but it sure makes it serviceable.
 
A lot of them are, on paper... then watch video of some madman such as JoeX bash 3V knives and they break easily... or DBK guys that damage their edge...

All while JoeX has hardest time breaking carbon steels and there's several carbon steel knives that had no edge damage even after hitting metal...

Such a strange coincidence...

Is he the guy who clamps or stabs a knife into something and hits it with a sledge hammer?

Some people do crazy things with knives. I usually don't.
 
I like a lot of steels. It's mostly about matching the right steel with the right geometry for the right job -- and giving that steel a great heat treat.

But for an EDC, I like Vanax SuperClean. It's fine grained and takes a killer edge. Easy to resharpen. Very good wear resistance. And super stainless. And tougher than any powder stainless steel, other than MagnaCut.
 
I like a lot of steels. It's mostly about matching the right steel with the right geometry for the right job -- and giving that steel a great heat treat.

But for an EDC, I like Vanax SuperClean. It's fine grained and takes a killer edge. Easy to resharpen. Very good wear resistance. And super stainless. And tougher than any powder stainless steel, other than MagnaCut.

Don't forget LC200N! It's not as fancy but it is still relatively tough and practically rust proof.
 
I’ve learned to appreciate my stainless steels, since carrying an M4 Spyderco, it is starting to rust. I do oil it, I just forget to do it everyday, and also I work in a kitchen. Cuts like a champ tho! I’ve been using it maybe a month now, and I’ve only stropped it.
So I like stainless, and i do like something that stays sharp for a while…. S30V, S35VN, Elmax and of course M390/204P/20CV are all great for my EDC, do-it-all folding knives. I have a feeling I would like S45VN a lot too, since it performs like Elmax…. I just haven’t tried it yet.
 
To be honest, my favorite (in theory) is Stellite 6K (dendritic cobalt), which I acquired recently but have not been able to bring myself to use....yet. It is fully waterproof because it is not a steel per se. I live near the beach so once it warms up, I'll carry it while walking the beach, etc. Otherwise, i like Damasteel and 20CV. I'm not great at sharpening, so I like edge retention. Below is the Stellite 6K knife:
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I tend to favor stainless due to many of my regular activities being around water of some sort, plus the general hassle free nature is stainless is a benefit. That being said, I don't really have a favorite stainless, I like most of them just fine (once you get above the garbage of course). From the sound of it, you could say that Magnacut is my favorite, but I don't currently own any knives in it. I'm sure there is plenty of it in my future however, and it will likely become my favorite.

Now, I absolutely have a favorite non-stainless steel, and it's K390. I just love the way it feels when it cuts, the way it cuts like that seemingly forever, and the way it sharpens back up to cutting like that with little effort.
 
I have a lot of different carbon and stainless steel blades in my collection and I try to use new knife purchases to coincide with different types of steel when it's convenient or desirable. Other than some really obscure stuff, my collection includes pretty much everything except Magnacut (want), AEB-L (want and do have Nitro-V), and H1 (do not want, bur really like LC200N). There are certainly preferences for certain steels for certain knives used for certain jobs, but I like having a wide variety of options available.
 
It seems like S30V, S35VN, M390 are the steels offered in most knives, so I guess those are my favorite. Looks like Magnacut will be the next steel I’ll add to my favorites.
Some tool steels are becoming more available in folders.
I prefer a tool steel in a fixed blade, ( M4, 3V, 4V, 10V, )
 
I read a lot about steels and that makes me think I like some more than others. I'm not all that sure I can tell the differences between them in my use. Steels that I own and like are D2, M4, Rex45, K390 and S110V. I like to think that carbon steels are tougher than stainless. I've thought about buying Maxamet but I'm worried that its toughness on paper is not good enough for me, so I stopped at K390 and S110V in terms of toughness. If I have to choose one answer then right now it is Rex45.
 
SR-101 (52100 with proprietary heat treat), A2, 5160, INFI, S30V, 20CV, N690Co, M4.
 
I have found that not all knives in the same steel perform the same, and am very happy with some steels that are not the latest and greatest. Designs also sway me greatly aside from heat treat and grind.

For outdoor knives D2 has served me well in many situations/environments and I like it. 5160 and 52100 have been great for other outdoor knives. 3V is awesome (especially D3v). 01 and A2 have been great.

For folders I like s30v as well as vg10. They hold a good edge, are easy to maintain and sharpen.

For edc fixed blades I really like AEB-L and the one I have in M2 (really holds an edge). I have been very pleased with the Magnacut fixed blade I got from a maker here. The blade holds an edge really well, touches up with a strop, and is worry-free for snowy carry.

The maker who I got my M2 edc fixed blade from has recommended M398 for rain/snowy conditions and I trust his opinion but have not tried it yet.
 
If I could only have one it would be high hardness AEBL.

Others I greatly enjoy are Rex-45, Cruwear, K390, and M4.
 
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I like them all, but my current fav is Magnacut for its fantastic edge holding and ease of sharpening.
 
3V and cruwear are both really nice tool steels. I've got a magna cut on order. To me it seems like it should be a great stainless. I tend to stay away from most high carbon steels. We get some wet humid months, and rust can be an issue.
 
If I had to pick one, I’d have to go with MagnaCut because it excels in all categories (it’s pretty tough, got good wear resistance, and phenomenal corrosion resistance) which is truly impressive, and I love the story behind it. I think its creator, Larrin Larrin , is a hero in this industry.

But apart from liking the context around that alloy, I don’t have a favorite. I do like these:

1095, AEB-L, CPM 3V, 1075, 420HC, CPM MagnaCut, S7, A2, 80CRV2, 5160, 1084, CPM 4V, O1, 1055, 8670, CPM 1V, INFI, SR77, A8 Mod, 14C28N, Z-Tuff, CruWear, and the list goes on and on.

Suffice to say I pretty much like any steel. I prioritize good knife design above steel type to be honest. If I like a knife design, I’ll take it in anything from 1075 to Rex 121. And typically I do not go out of my way to seek a specific steel.

The exception to that is with tools I intend to use really hard. For example, I definitely went out of my way when looking for my carving hatchet. Ended up getting once custom made to my specs from differentially heat treated S7 steel.
 
for me it all depends on what the knife is used for and how it is used. After a certain basic threshold steel is generally not one of primary factors in what makes one knife good or not. There is of course endless nuance and ways to talk about it because you also have the steel itself but how it's treated, how it's formed, how its grinded, all of these things. It's hard to really talk about it without narrowing down variables. Let me say it this way though, if you have the same exact knife used the same way, the difference between lets say vg10 and 154cm/ats34 is really not anything to worry about. The steel itself only really becomes relevant in extreme cases, like say make a small edc knife that is used for a lot of abrasive tasks and it's made out of 52100 or something. Changing the steel to s90v or whatever is going to change how the tool can and likely will be used. This is also something that has to be a balance. At that point it becomes obvious to the end user that the steel itself is a limiting factor that takes precedence over other concerns like ergonomics and the blade shape and whatnot. In a kitchen knife you can use thinness to make up for a lack of abrasion resistance but only to a certain limit. The lack of "bite" which is just basically a measure of apex acuity, becomes an issue. The best blade steels are well balanced in a logical way related to how the tool will be used and maintained. The difference between does this same exact knife for the same exact use have xhp or magnacut, generally without some specific need that one material happens to cover, is not something to waste brain cycles on. Even more drastic differences are not ultimately that relevant in most uses, especially compared to other factors.

As far as preferences for steels, the issue there is it's all theoretical and thus basically useless, unless you are knife maker yourself. In the real world we have actual products that exist and are available for consumer to purchase. So I could wish for this or that to be made from this or that, but if it doesn't exist then it doesn't matter. Gotta work with what is real.

As far as what makes steel "good" for a knife blade, in the real world is a balance of factors that affect each other, but ideally in theory you would want attributes to be linearly exceptional other than one attribute, and that one attribute is the thing most knife consumers overly focus on which is abrasion resistance. Generally, more stainless is better. Finer grain is better. Tougher is better. Theoretically harder is also better. The one thing that is not so straightforward is abrasion resistance. This really just depends on the use and how it will be used. There's a reason the knives in meat packing plants aren't using s110v and it's not just economics or availability, there's actually a logic to it. In reality these attributes are in balance. If you want a knife to cut, then you want the steel to be as hard and tough as it can be so that it can be made as thin as possible. It needs some abrasion resistance, but it's not as important as many seem to think.

focusing on the abrasion thing, lets say one steel can hold a keen edge twice as long as another steel but it takes 4 times as long to do maintenance when it inevitably does go dull from abrasive wear. Which is better? It depends. That's basically the answer to everything. It depends. And the real issue is up until Larrin's blog, there really was no empirically based public sources of information about it. Like if you go to google and click on any result other than his site, chances are the "info" you see will be comically wrong, unless it's sourced from his data. Not all the info on his site is totally the last word 100% accurate either, but it's all actually based in empirical evidence and more than good enough to be used for general guidelines. Sometimes I see folks get hung up on the fact that it's only 99.9% accurate and not like 99.999% accurate thus they miss the point.
Nice informative post mentalknife.
Good to see you're still hanging around, G Gene

(On topic: I like a lot of steels. These days: M4, Cru-Wear and 3v on the tool side...and currently MagnaCut on the stainless side. But many more are worthy.)
Thanks my friend. Been a long time since we conversed.

I too like most steels with the nod towards stainless. D2 is a good combination of both.
 
I really like 14c28n, Aeb-l, nitro v and magnacut. I also like d3v and infi. Definitely don't like carbon steel for folders.
 
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