I like tactical/utility knives like kitchen knives

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I have a strange taste in tactical/camp/utility knives. I say strange because the properties I like in these knives aren't easy to find.

I like fixed-blade knives that have some similarities to kitchen knives. Perhaps it's because I love to work in the kitchen and do it so much so I've been using chef and utility knives more than anything else.

Kitchen knives tend to be designed so that the entire blade especially the heel of the blade will touch down on the cutting surface (or at least close with some utilities) without interference and they're always flat-ground and are from fairly thin stock. They are also polished or satin so things don't stick to them too badly.

Must tacticals have a guard or handle that prevents the back of the blade from touching down before the guard or handle are more sabre-ground and are made from fairly thick stock. (My buddy showed me his new Strider and it was SUPER thick for such a small 4" blade.) And many of them are bead-blast which anything remotely sticky just loves to grab onto.

But there are a couple that I like. The Gerber Yari is one of my favorites and it's much like a kitchen utility knife in pretty much every way. Also, I have a Ka-bar Warthog that I cut down the guards on so it works very much like a chef's knife. I have a 4" -blade custom that's like a small kitchen utility that's flat-ground high-polished ATS-34 and allows the whole edge to touch down.

One of my favorite parts of camping is cooking in the outdoors so I'm sure that's a big part of it. I realize that most tacticals are designed for fighting. OK, but I've read a lot that says that even the military use their knives for camp chores 99% of the time and rarely need them for fighting because, obviously, they're not their primary (or even secondary) weapon. Also I like to choke-up and hold a knife edge-up and work the heel of the blade at what ever small thing I'm working on.

I haven't really found a folder that has these properties. If I did I might buy one, but I'm mostly a Benchmade and Microtech fan. (The Amphibian comes close.)

My point in starting this thread? None really. I just thought it was an odd way of looking at tactical/camp/utility knives and I thought I'd share. I'm really just thinking out loud.
 
Bill Seigle and Trace Rinaldi make some nice knives that fall into the category you describe. Also, the spyderco Perrin Street Bowie is a great multi-use knife of this type at a reasonable price.
 
Originally posted by fishface5
Bill Seigle and Trace Rinaldi make some nice knives that fall into the category you describe. Also, the spyderco Perrin Street Bowie is a great multi-use knife of this type at a reasonable price.

I've actually considered the Seigle's and also the Perrin in the past and I might still get one sometime. I've written back and forth with Seigle and last I heard was that he was pretty backed up for a while. Guess that happens sometimes when you make good knives. ; ) That's OK. I can't afford one of his at the moment.

I live in Denver, right next to Golden where Spyderco is and I'm on their mailing list so next time they have a "seconds" sale I'll probably go get one. They're only about 20 minutes away from where I live.

I've never heard of Trace Rinaldi so I guess I better do some searching and find out about it.
 
Originally posted by fulloflead
I've never heard of Trace Rinaldi so I guess I better do some searching and find out about it.

You really must leave your cave more often ;) :D

http://www.thrblades.com/

He is not taking new orders at this time, but you can find them for sale on the forums if you keep an eye out
 
Hehe, Trace even makes a knife called: The Tactical Kitchen Knife!

TTKK.jpg
 
Originally posted by mogmz
You really must leave your cave more often ;) :D

http://www.thrblades.com/

He is not taking new orders at this time, but you can find them for sale on the forums if you keep an eye out

I know. I know. I've been mostly into productions. I'd love to have one of those though. That's EXACTLY the style of knife I like! I'll be drooling over those for a while.
 
Check out the Moran drop point ! LOTTA bang for the buck here. The Krayton inserts in the handle give very good grip when wet/cold/bloody hands are using it. You can really choke up on the blade too, though I sanded off the very end of the edge at the choil to prevent getting nicked.VG10 blade, Kydex multi-position sheath. I use mine in the kitchen as much as in the field. Holds an edge very well. If you want the ultimate slicer, you can take the edge down to 30 degrees & not worry , if you don't chop frozen food hehe.

http://www.newgraham.com/moran.htm
 
The AG russel Hocho was designed as a folding kitchen knife, and it has what you have described. I hope you like it.
 
I know exactly what you mean. I was a chef for 15 years and handling knives is second nature. But my preferences definitely tend towards knives with a deeper blade or deeper "gut" near the hilt like the Trace Rinaldi. I also prefer larger blades, 6" and above. It's easier for me to do small work with a big blade than it is to do big work with a small blade.

At the Blade Show West I handled the new Busse Steel Heart Fusion. It felt like the familiar 8"-10" blade I'm used to using in commercial kitchens. Only it was brutally strong. It had the deepest blade ("gut") I've seen on a Busse and the balance was great. Very neutral for fast handling. It'll be my first Busse when they come out early next year. If, that is, they keep the same blade style for production. You might want to check out a photo on the Busse Forum.
 
Have you tried the Grohmann/Russell Canadian style with the leaf shaped blade ?, the handle angles upwards a bit and keeps your fingers away from the table or cutting board.

I often use a hunting knife in the kitchen, I keep my cutting board close to the edge of the bar so my hand is out in the air and I can use the full edge to cut, it´s still sometimes awkward, but in general I find a slender strong sharp blade useful and comfortable.
 
I particularly like the look of the Spyderco BobLum "Chinese" folder - it has that super-broad leaf-shaped flat ground blade in VG10 (I think). That type blade is a super slicer.

I agree with your sentiments re:- utility knives.

Trace Rinaldi's knives are possibly the most distinctly "chef" oriented tacticals and they are NICE knives... Another brand, rather than maker is the line from Camillus, designed by Ethan Becker, who is apparently really into pro cooking. I noted that his knives have tall flat grinds, butdon't know if the mil-spec type black powder coat is your thing.

From my own perspective, I wonder if this is what you were thinking... (Tooting my own horn ;) :D )Jason.

http://fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dl...39-D8F7A5BDBDBA}&exp=f&moddt=37913.4649066782
 
Have you seen the Kitchen knife from Strider?

I believe it was made by Duane (or was it Mick, both are so talented it´s hard to remember - sorry). HUGE S30V blade, chisel ground and with that (soon to be) classic D9 handle. Right now it´s No 3 on my "to buy" list. I´ve got another custom on order and planning on one more before I probably succumb to the lure. It´s great because it really looks like a kitchen knife made for war times.

Anyone out there tried it?

/Colinz
 
Jason,

I think that may be just about THE perfect all around knife!!! Beautiful Job! I don't see it on your site. WHat might one of those go for? email me if it's more appropriate.

I'm with fulloflead here. I think that the Tactical/Kitchen Knife concept may be THE perfect compromise for the 'do-anything' knife. I've lusted after Rinaldi's TTKK since I first saw it.

-John
 
Hey Colinz, I checked out the Strider site but couldn't find the "kitchen" knife you described. Do you know the model name?

Also, has anyone got a Rinaldi with a blade over 6"? I didn't see any on his site. I think that TKK of his with a 6and 1/2 in blade in S30V or D2 might just move to the top of my wish list.

I'm hittin' every suggested site and model on this thread to check out the blades. Jason, do you work in D2? IMO this thread really touches on an interesting blade/knife preference.
 
Trace will probably do whatever size you want on the TTKK. I always emphasize that first "T" :) He's also willing to do alternative handles. I wanted the curvey handle and bird's beak because I wasn't going for a straight chef's knife. If I were going for a little more chef's and a little less utility, I'd go with a straighter handle & no bird's beak, and a straighter belly.

Joe
 
Thanks for the information Joe. Got a case of "happy fingers" and dropped the first "T" of TTKK. Custom handle, eh? Mebbe G10, and the curved type you mentioned or? . . . . Man, I've got some thinkin' to do.
 
Well, I haven't discussed alternative handles with Trace directly, but I note there's something like 2 or 3 variations of the TTKK's blade on Trace's site, all with different (and interesting) handles.

Joe
 
Trace Rinaldi has done several TTKKs in the classic Santoku shape and length.
 
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