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DE OPPRESSO LIBER

DE OPPRESSO LIBER

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i recently sold two knives to someone in the UK and they want me to ship to them with $50.00 insurance when the two knives sold for over $1700.00. Can i be held liable if they are lost or stolen ???? has anyone ran into this situation before Input and advice greatly appreciated thanks, Paul
 
Hes taking the risk, its his problem. Thats one reason I wont ship overseas, seems like they always want to declare it for less so they dont get taxed as much.
 
DE OPPRESSO LIBER said:
i recently sold two knives to someone in the UK and they want me to ship to them with $50.00 insurance when the two knives sold for over $1700.00. Can i be held liable if they are lost or stolen ???? has anyone ran into this situation before Input and advice greatly appreciated thanks, Paul
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When ever I ship overseas and they only want me to declare a low value to save them money in taxes, I always tell them if the knife is lost, I can only give them the amount they had me insure it for. I haven't had any knives lost yet, luckily.
 
Not to mention, you are falsifying a government document if you are using USPS.
 
randucci said:
When ever I ship overseas and they only want me to declare a low value to save them money in taxes, I always tell them if the knife is lost, I can only give them the amount they had me insure it for. I haven't had any knives lost yet, luckily.
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I agree with Pimpducci.
I also ask that the say in writing that they assume the risk.


dave
 
Whatever you do, make SURE that you have the CASH in hand, drain your PayPal account into your checking, cash the MO's, whatever. Once you are sure that you have your non-reversable payment, the risk is on the buyer. Unfortunately, a lot of countries charge a high percentage of tax on imported goods like these. I had a conversation with Amy-0 when I needed some advice on shipping a Game Warden to New Zealand, she told me about the ridiculous percentages some countries will charge on imported goods ... sometims up to 100% of the value, so you can see why this person might want to try for a lower declared value.
I would be clear to this person that the risk is on them if asked to 'bend' the truth on value. I wouldn't fib on the contents if you have to declare them, only the value, as you may be held accountable in a court of law in that nation. But, creatively speaking, you might declare certain types of knives as a 'camping tool'. I sent that OJ GW to NZ as a camping tool, $50. Technically, I didn't have to fill out a declaration, but decided to anyway.
A lot of countries don't seem to reqire a customs declaration if the value is under $400 AND no more than 1 pound in weight (packing materials included)... Perhaps breaking the order into multiple packages may be worth considering? :)
 
The 'in writing' thing is a very smart idea. :thumbup: Always get it in writing. :)
 
Paul, there is all great advice in front of my post ......take it! excellent replies all from "hog's" THAT KNOW!:thumbup:
:D

Jules, lil' piglet
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ive shipped quite a bit overseas lately, and that is what most have wanted me to do. i guess it avoids some customs issues.

like the others said, let them assume the responsibility once you have provided proof of shipping.
 
randucci said:
When ever I ship overseas and they only want me to declare a low value to save them money in taxes, I always tell them if the knife is lost, I can only give them the amount they had me insure it for. I haven't had any knives lost yet, luckily.
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I agree with randucci.
Shipping is on the buyers risk especially if you sell it on a special price.

Just make sure you have the money before you ship it.
 
I live in the UK, a lot of people do it due to the fact that we live in 'rip off britain'.... we can get taxed upto 30% extra (asked on here at some point once and then did some digging...)

I've personally been smacked an extra 22% at the most on electrical goods... which nearly bumps your price up by 1/4


Sucks


A lot of people do this in the UK, and I've never known (as yet) for it to be used in any other way than to avoid huge tax charges.... putting up to a possible extra 30% on the price of something that you have imported on expensive goods, can soon put your budget way over...


Not that I'm condoning this in any way.... but if you put insurance on this for $50, then that is the proof that this was only insured for $50...


I know once of a friend who was scammed by a US seller on ebay, for a mountain bike which was supposed to be worth about $3000... the agreement via email was that the insurance would be to cover that item at $3000, but when it was sent, the insurance was only paid to cover upto $250 or so...


When he tried to claim this off of the seller, they said that he could only claim upto $250 for it due to the insurance they put on it...


My friend had emails to prove agreement on the cover, and got in contact with the insurance people / postage company, and the seller then ended up having to pay the rest which was $2,500...


So, if you've agreed to insure for $50, and you have proof of agreement, which email is... then its your choice... if its a second hand knife, then technically it doesn't have a retail price anymore, so you could say its worth whatever you want... you could sell it to a mate for $10 if you were mad enough too... this isn't me suggesting a way to bend the rules, this is trade law (father is in trading standards).


If a tracking number is provided, the seller can see that this has been posted as well...


I am a completely honest person, and have thought about the 'for sale' section and that a lot of sellers don't sell outside of the US... I would really like to think that when I can afford to buy an older classic blade, and when I've become a trusted member - it may make some sellers accommodate me re: shipping abroad, if all costs are covered from my end of course... :) there are still some honest people in the world afterall :D


One day hehe
 
hawkinsa21 said:
I am a completely honest person, and have thought about the 'for sale' section and that a lot of sellers don't sell outside of the US... :D
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I second that, It's to bad that some don't sell outside the US. Especially on busse knives you can't get over here :(
 
Wicked said:
I second that, It's to bad that some don't sell outside the US. Especially on busse knives you can't get over here :(
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lol!

Its like dangling a carrot to a donkey... me being the donkey, the carrot being some 22 carat INFI!


Oh well, keep checking I suppose...


Mind you, there are sellers who do ship outside... I personally have avoided selling abroad in the past if I don't know anything about the buyer, but I guess building up a relationship on the forums goes a long way in showing your worth...


I hope...... :D
 
hawkinsa21 said:
lol!

Its like dangling a carrot to a donkey... me being the donkey, the carrot being some 22 carat INFI!


Oh well, keep checking I suppose...


Mind you, there are sellers who do ship outside... I personally have avoided selling abroad in the past if I don't know anything about the buyer, but I guess building up a relationship on the forums goes a long way in showing your worth...


I hope...... :D
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That's one of the reasons I got a gold membership.
So far all buying in the US went well for me.
Always had honest sellers and I never had anything lost or damaged during shipping.
 
Ah the good old Gold membership!

I will have to get that sorted soon... its something that I keep meaning to do, and know it doesn't take long...

I love this forum, and will support it!
 
MORIMOTOM said:
ive shipped quite a bit overseas lately, and that is what most have wanted me to do. i guess it avoids some customs issues.

like the others said, let them assume the responsibility once you have provided proof of shipping.
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What constitutes valid proof of shipping/delivery? If you're the buyer in Europe, and never get your knife, but the seller says "Well, I shipped it", what would you want to see as proof? or stated another way: as a seller, how do you protect yourself against a fraudulent claim of non-delivery?
 
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