i ordered this--look what i got

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now i hope this photo doesnt reveal where i got it from =--if it does im erasing it. but i purchased these hond rosewood burl scales but then i got --the other 2 photos. they say they stabilioze after you order them. do you think with some sanding it will ever look like the picture described--thanks-marekz---or should i send er back---marekz
 

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I sure hope they clean up. That was a beautiful piece of wood. I'm of the opinion that Hond. RW does not require stabilization. I've heard that rosewoods in general don't take well to treatment.
 
Its a typical trick for less reputable outfits on the internet to wet the wood, then take the display pics while its wet. From the second image it looks like they either poured on, or soaked the wood in something for a very short time. Either way, they didn't know what they were talking about....Rosewood is one of the woods that cannot be stabilized.

It always burns me up when sellers wet the wood for photos...it gives a totally unrealistic presentation, and usually damages the wood, or at the very least causes it to check as its drying out (non-stabilized woods) (usually AFTER you've received it) I've learned to spot woods that have been wetted for photos....and NEVER purchase from those people.
 
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looks like it was just dipped in Pentacryl. Is it solid all the way through? Got some like that one time will never buy from there again.
 
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Is that from "Geraldine (Whatever)" from Ebay? I wouldn't buy anything from her. I'd send it back.:grumpy:
 
well i dont want to say who it is but i think if you read the posts you could figure it out. man im sending it back.-marekz
 
Its a typical trick for less reputable outfits on the internet to wet the wood, then take the display pics while it wet. From the second image it looks like they either poured on, or soaked the wood in something from a very short time. Either way, they didn't know what they were talking about....Rosewood is one of the woods that cannot be stabilized.

It always burns me up when seller wet the wood for photos...it gives a totally unrealistic presentation, and usually damages the wood, or at the very least causes it to check as its drying out (usually AFTER you've received it) I've learned to spot woods that have been wetted for photos....and NEVER purchase from those people.

LOL...... I always wet my wood before photos ;)

-Larry
 
Was it someone from this Forum? I read back through the for sale posts and didn't see anything similar. The only seller I have heard of stabilizing after purchase is one of the sellers on ebay. If I remember they also had some negative feedback.

Ed made a comment about unreputable sellers wetting the wood for photos. I have to plead guilty to that. When photographing wood I usually mist it for the photos. Really light and usually evaporates away in a matter of minutes. If this has caused checking or other problems with any wood forum members have purchased from me, please let me know and I will send a refund. This was never meant to deceive but to give a better representation of the wood. You guys have taught me a lot so far. I was unaware I was coming across as one of the bad guys.
 
I guess I should clarify....90% of my stuff is done by WSSI, so Im not worried about a spritz of water. I have soaked a stabilized block overnight in a bucket of water, because I was interested in how much water would be retained. You could see the water puddling under it after I put it on the bench, and the block weight was back to normal after a couple days. Id like to try some other tests too, but haven't really had time. (sitting in the hot sun, etc)

If I had time I would sand all 6 sides and buff before pics....which would actually look better than wet. Or maybe a thin layer of CA then buff, but for now a spritz of water will do....

Larry
 
Was it someone from this Forum? I read back through the for sale posts and didn't see anything similar. The only seller I have heard of stabilizing after purchase is one of the sellers on ebay. If I remember they also had some negative feedback.

Ed made a comment about unreputable sellers wetting the wood for photos. I have to plead guilty to that. When photographing wood I usually mist it for the photos. Really light and usually evaporates away in a matter of minutes. If this has caused checking or other problems with any wood forum members have purchased from me, please let me know and I will send a refund. This was never meant to deceive but to give a better representation of the wood. You guys have taught me a lot so far. I was unaware I was coming across as one of the bad guys.

I've never experienced a problem with a light spritz of water. I spray boards down on a regular basis when planning for cuts. I've even been given a spray bottle at lumberyards.

Gilmer paints their wood with some sort of varnish for photos. It helps me see exactly what I'm getting. It may improve the appearance, but it's nothing compared to when the wood is actually finished. They said the varnish has the added benefit of reducing checking during shipment (along with the plastic wrap), by slowing the drying process.
 
the rose wood burl scales came from a source outside the forum,infact,it was ebay--they alreadyv said they will refund. They also added that they sold many of these without a problem.lol. im just clarifying.--thanks--marekz
 
marek, i got some mesquite that looked like that one time. Try Burl Source, I've gotten some really nice pieces from him and his business sense is as good as gold.
 
yes -burl source is one of the best sources for top grade stuff--i know-he is wwonderful-----shout out for the burl source-marekz
 
I got a similar hunk of goo from an ebay seller not affiliated with this forum. Haven't tried using it yet to tell if the "stabilzation" went all the way through or not.
 
Ed made a comment about unreputable sellers wetting the wood for photos. I have to plead guilty to that. When photographing wood I usually mist it for the photos. Really light and usually evaporates away in a matter of minutes. If this has caused checking or other problems with any wood forum members have purchased from me, please let me know and I will send a refund. This was never meant to deceive but to give a better representation of the wood. You guys have taught me a lot so far. I was unaware I was coming across as one of the bad guys.


Yeah but from what I've seen in a lot of the posts you make with them you tell people if they have been wet when you took the pic. So it's not like you're omitting that fact.
 
Just to clarify what we are looking at;

Many woods when stabilized will take in more resin in the softer parts , and not absorb it in the harder or more resinous parts. Woods with oily resins, like rosewoods, thuya, desert ironwood, some redwoods,etc. don't stabilize well because the oil will weep out as a thick goo for quite a while after stabilizing. Resinous woods that are not fully dry will also do this.

With such wood, after getting it stabilized, the first order of business is to scrape away as much excess resin as possible. Then sand down the surfaces. This will clog belts fast, and they will need constant wire brushing to un-clog them. Once the wood is smooth and the surface is clean, things usually look a lot different. There may be a tendency for the wood to feel sticky for a long time, so the wood may need to sit for a year or two.

A you can see ,this isn't a desirable situation, so these woods are rarely stabilized. Add to this problem the fact that the word "Stabilized" is used to describe everything from dunking in Nelsonite, to Minxax wood hardener, to catalyzed resins. Some of these types of treatment will make the wood more waterproof, but the stabilizing agent used does not harden, but merely dries. This isn't what we really want in wood for knife handles.

I think your scales would clean up and look like the photo, but it will take some work. I personally would not use or purchase scales from anyone who uses a home brew stabilizing mix. The use of 90C and other catalyzed stabilants is a well established process, and the industry pros , like WSSI, use it with the proper technology to make it work.

Stacy
 
I've always wondered who the Vikings sent there wood out to , to be stabilized before they built there boats .:D
 
Hey folks....I wasn't pointing any fingers or trying to upset anyone. I just think its deceptive when someone wets down a piece of wood in order to make it look better for photos....especially if its in an attempt to sell the wood. Although its more work and effort, I personally would prefer to see two sides of the wood sanded down/buffed to reveal a more true image of what the wood will look like in it's finished state. Obviously if the wood is stabilized, the wetting isn't gong to harm it, but far too often non-stabilized woods are wetted, photographed, then shipped to the customer. This happened to me a couple of times when I purchased pieces of burls. They looked great in the photos, then by the time they arrived they were already starting to check and crack badly. One burl showed up in a plastic bag, with water literally running out of the bag when I opened it! After trying to dry it enough so that I could wax over the whole thing, it was so badly cracked and checked that it went in the trash.

IMO, wetting down a piece of handle material for photos is akin to over using image editing software for a knife photo.....it often gives an unrealistic image of the product, and in some cases the actual item looks nothing like the photo(s)....that can cause bad feelings between a seller and a client.
I've seen this happen a number of times over the years with knives too. Before I started doing my own photography, I actually refused several images from one photographer because he had gone way overboard with photoshop....and although the images looked really nice, they were not a true representation of the knife he had shot for me.
 
I don't see wetting it as any different than oiling a finished handle to make the character pop. What you see in the photo still exists in the wood.
 
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