I really can't stay, but baby it's cold outside!

yeah, it's 50° here today and i'm freezing! all bundled up in a hoodie. :D

Man, that's t-shirt weather up here :D

right now 30F. Come up here in January and you'll see -20F no problem. With wind chill , exposed flesh freezes in minutes. When the weathers like that , you better have your sh;t together. I'm used to it ( and most people here) , so it all boils down to being prepared. Layering with the right layers and quality gear. I go polypro underwear for wicking, fleece layer , and Carharrt outer Jacket. Wool toque , scarf or shemagh , and HD gloves. Those heat pack things... tried 'em all. They don't last too long. I always carry spare clothing everywhere I go . Belt knife ( 4 or 6) is easy to carry without scaring off folks :D Yup , winter sure is fun.
 
wool "shemagh" is easy to make - go buy some wool fabric and have the store cut it into 42" long pieces for you. Then have the edge sewn with a zigzag stitch to keep t from unraveling.
the other thing I've done with wool in the past was to cut 5' long pieces into 20" (or so) wide strips and using them for hood, scarf, handwarmer, blanket, etc...

my big concession to cold weather is a wool hat with fold down ear flap.
 
You guys should really look into a "buff." They are definitely worth every penny for a "fabric tube." They come in many different colors, and styles (polar fleece, UV for summer etc). They are strechy and soft. It does not irritate the skin. You can wear that around the neck, as a hat, scarf, wrist band etc. Best part is you can always have 1 in your pocket. I bought 8 within a few weeks and gave 2 away as gifts. :thumbup:

BUFF

Heres a youtube video on the different ways you can wear them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pperW4PKeSw
 
the Buffs are nice, especially when the girlies on Survivor wear them as tube tops! :D

and it's also nice because you can put it on your neck without taking a full face motorcycle helmet off.
 
1066vik,

I hate to ask what may be a question with an obvious answer, but my ignorance is vast at times... Where would I find someone selling wool fabric?

God bless,
Adam
 
1066vik,

I hate to ask what may be a question with an obvious answer, but my ignorance is vast at times... Where would I find someone selling wool fabric?

God bless,
Adam

My question, too. Although I'm thinking Joann's or one of those places where my wife buys sewing stuff. I'd like to hear any other suggestions since I think this would be a good idea. I've got some of these things from the middle east but I'd rather not look like Hamas.

I'd like to find some very smooth, light wool, not the heavy trader blanket material.
 
Use Wool.

Dress in layers, its not the clothing that keeps you warm, its the air between the layers and in the fabric.

Cover up your head, this is so important, wanna keep warm - use a beanie or balaclava.

Wool mittens with wind and waterproof shell on the outside.


A very important thing:

Take a shit when you feel like it, do not keep that poop inside. It will absorb 40% of your energy to keep it warm.

When you are on the move, dont have alot of clothes on, just the inner thermal layer and a goretex jacket is enough, you will sweat. When moving you get warm.
As soon as you stop, get that shell off, put on some more clothes and get the shell on again.

Drink water, even though you dont feel thirsty, you lose alot of fluid when you are in activity in the winter.

If its very cold, tie some cord on the bottle and wear it around your neck so the bottle hangs on your stomach, that way it wont freeze up and you can still hydrate,
 
Turbo-Henrik,

Thanks for the input. May I ask where you got the information on "the poop thing?" That's pretty wild. It makes some sense though. It reminds me of some experiments I heard about caseless ammunition. The weapon firing it had cookoff issues, partly because no case to buffer the heat going into the propellant and partly because the ejected cases carry away some of the heat from the gun.

Layering down apropriately during movement is so important. I managed to hike with very little (for me) while in the Ouchita's. When you stop, layer up. Stay dry, stay alive.

Thanks again man. God bless,
Adam
 
yup - JoAnn's, Jo-Mar, etc... any fabric store.
go for the coat weight wool, not suit weight.
suit weight is thin like dress pants, coat weight is more like a decent wool scarf.
you can also buy surplus wool blankets and cut them up. (sportsman's guide, CTD, major surplus, etc)
 
I like the idea of keeping your water close to your body. If using a camelback blow the water back into the bladder to keep the water from freezing in the hose. Otherwise, REI sells 1qt plastic flasks that are thin and can be put into inner pockets quite easily.

Pooping comes natural to me. For some reason every time I go in the woods I have to poo.
 
Turbo-Henrik,

Thanks for the input. May I ask where you got the information on "the poop thing?" That's pretty wild. It makes some sense though.

Well, out in the cold, especially if you are sitting anywhere that isn't exactly warm or you are warming it up with your rear-end, it just makes sense if you don't want a raging case of the 'rhoids.

It reminds me of some experiments I heard about caseless ammunition. The weapon firing it had cookoff issues, partly because no case to buffer the heat going into the propellant and partly because the ejected cases carry away some of the heat from the gun.

This is a first, a comparison between anal-retentive behavior and ammunition cooking off, I know there is a Zappaesque joke in here but I am laughing too hard to figure it out. :D


Seriously, there is some stuff in this thread that is really worth jotting down in my Moleskine, the stuff about drinking the hot water with the Jell-O mix in it, brilliant, check and double-check. Great idea.
 
-In my BOB I carry a Condor Microfleece jacket that works GREAT! It's very packable, lightweight, and pretty damn warm. I'd recommend it to anyone.

I'm going to have to check that out.

-To wear on top of that I have a waterproof Condor Softshell jacket. It's workd absolutely great in rain, still keeps you warm, and is a GREAT value for the price!!! It also packs down into a real small size making it perfect for bug out bags.

The one with the two arm pockets and the left forearm pocket? If so, that sucker is warm! :D

-I, like MANY other RAT Packers have a shaved head so keeping my head and neck warm in the winter is must. I carry a wool watch cap which is nice and toasty. I also carry 2 shemaghs that I can use for wrapping around my head and or neck. Sometimes the watch cap is just too hot for me so that's when the shemaghs works great.

Dude, between that and the whole, "You're not going to strangle with a neck knife cord" thing going on, I'm beginning to wonder. :D

I don't have a chromed pate, but keep a flat top year round because I have an unruly mob of hair if I don't. It's thick and absolutely miserable in the summertime. Double check on the wool cap and kaffiyas. I have deerskin gloves and a set of Under Armor Gloves in the daily carry bag as well. I have to get me an Under Armor Cap, too. That stuff from them is great and doesn't weigh anything and crushes down to absolutely nothing.

-I've got a good pair of Carhartt leather work glove in my bag. They aren't insulated but they are pretty warm so they're good enough to keep my biscuit grippers from going numb.

See above.

-I keep 2 pairs of wool socks in my BOB in the winter. Keeping your "go fasters" warm is a must.

Socks and nylon stockings for multi-use items. :)

-I also carry a lot of extra calories in my bag in the winter. The amount of calories it takes for your body to keep warm in cold weather quickly increases as the temp drops. In perfect weather conditions your body can go for 3 weeks without food, but in really cold weather that time span really shortens since every calorie is spent keeping your body temp at 98.6.

There have been a lot of criticisms of some people's kits because they have a couple Clif Bars, MetRX Bars or whatever in them... That you don't need them or whatever... That might be true for a lot of environments, but when it is cold, you do need something NOW instead of looking for the occasional edible shroom or root palatable only to a starving whistlepig.
 
Turbo-Henrik,

Thanks for the input. May I ask where you got the information on "the poop thing?" That's pretty wild. It makes some sense though. It reminds me of some experiments I heard about caseless ammunition. The weapon firing it had cookoff issues, partly because no case to buffer the heat going into the propellant and partly because the ejected cases carry away some of the heat from the gun.

Layering down apropriately during movement is so important. I managed to hike with very little (for me) while in the Ouchita's. When you stop, layer up. Stay dry, stay alive.

Thanks again man. God bless,
Adam

Hi!

The poop thing is something i learned from my first liutenant when i served in the army. He is a former elite similar so US navy seals.
I dont have any real facts on it other than ive experienced it myself.

The poop isnt alive, so it wont heat itself. 40% sounds like alot, but if you try it this winter, you will feel the diffrence!


Layering right when you are on the move is alpha and omega. This is one of the easiest things to judge by if someone is familiar with survival and in general being in the outdoors.
When im on the move i usually dress down to only a my mesh inner clothing.
Which is really only mesh, made of some very moisture transporting fibre. On the outside of that mesh i only have goretex shell.

As soon as i stop i put on some 600 weight wool or more which i have readily accsesible in my pack.

You will regret if you soak your mid layers with sweat when you are on the move, and find out when you stop that you are all wet and it takes so long to get warm and dry again.


Some more tips:

If you use, i dont know what this is called in america, but its like a boot your put on the outside on the boot you are wearing. With sole and everything that creates a air pocket between the boots and get your soles off the ground. Whats it called?

Anyways, if you cut pieces of sleeping mat (the cellfoam ones, not inflatable) and put in these "outerboots" it will isolate so much more from the snow, its like night and day.


Also, cut pieces for your knees, if you have pockets for kneepads on your pants, stick them in there. Great isolation when ure batoning and such.


Keep an eye out for your feet and hands, every day, or better 2 times a day, take off your boots and gloves, then hold your sock between the hands and rub your feet so dead skin and dirt gets rubbed away, this increases your comfort. When you do this you shall also check for blisters, damage from the cold, ++ Take care of your feet, they are the most important thing you have in the wild.

If you travel with a partner, and its cold, stop for every 30 minutes and check each others face, look for white spots.
If you find any white spots, this is the beginning of a freeze.

How to deal with it:
DO NOT RUB IT!! It may seem like a good way to warm up, like when youre hands are cold and you rub and clap. Dont do this. The reason for this is that the frozen skin have crystals in it, which will kill the skin if its rubbed.

Solution: Just simply take your glove off and hold your hand on the white spot. When it gets better, make sure to wrap it up with a scarf or similar.



If you have any questions, feel free to ask and i will answer as good as i can.


Thanks
Henrik
 
Mike,

Sorry to disappoint. It was inspired by Dean Martin, if that offers any consolation.

God bless,
Adam
 
Henrik,

Thanks for the further input man. I appreciate all the input. I think I may have to take a ride on over to wally world and liberate some cheap sleeping pads for... experimentation (insert maniacal laugh here.)

I really hope we can get some more people to weigh in on useful stuff.

God bless,
Adam
 
Hi!
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Some more tips:

If you use, i dont know what this is called in america, but its like a boot your put on the outside on the boot you are wearing. With sole and everything that creates a air pocket between the boots and get your soles off the ground. Whats it called?

Anyways, if you cut pieces of sleeping mat (the cellfoam ones, not inflatable) and put in these "outerboots" it will isolate so much more from the snow, its like night and day.

Also, cut pieces for your knees, if you have pockets for kneepads on your pants, stick them in there. Great isolation when ure batoning and such.

Henrik, we generally call them Galoshes or overboots.
also - the white spots forming is called frostbite here on this side of the pond.
 
I understand what some of you guys mean, but do we really base our wardrobe around whether or not it is flammable? For times I will be around fire, perhaps, but in the middle of winter going for a walk in the woods? Not me. I’m a fan of wool, but it’s heavy. This is probably my favorite garment I own. Just this and a good pair of USGI polypro long johns and you can stay very warm.

It’s called the Cabela’s Over/Under Windshear Fatigue Sweater. Don’t want to deal spot, but they might be having a very good price on them right now for my fellow winter bums.

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The wind chill was -7 this day. :D I emphasize that cotton kills then post a pic of me wearing jeans. I had fleece on underneath and had taken off my bibs.

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These are Great, JUst ordered another so as to have a spare and for this price you cant beat it.:thumbup:
 
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