I Think I Did the Impossible

When I named this thread, I was not referring to getting Glock and 1911 fans arguing with one another. That's anything but impossible. :)

Which is the better caliber? 9mm or .45? ;)

(No one answer this. I'm joking, and I own pistols in both calibers. I repeat, it's a joke, do not answer that question upon the pain of death.
 
Quite impressive Dave, I must admit. I bought a Glock 21 back in August so its likely good for a decade or so with me, religious cleaning and all. :p

As for Glocks vs 1911s...My dad has a Springfield 1911 that I've shot some. I'm not as accurate with the Springfield as I am with my .40 Glock, but I shot a .45 Glock once and wasn't as accurate with it either. Recoil wise they feel about the same with me. The one thing I don't like about the 1911 is the trigger pull for the first round feels long and awkward to me. This is likely due to me not shooting the 1911 enough to get used to it. This discussion makes me want to go shooting all of a sudden. ;)

As for which gun I'd use as a melee weapon: neither, that's what my HI is for. ;)

Bob
 
I have to agree about polymer pistols transmitting less recoil. I have owned glocks, sigs, 1911's by three different manufacturers, H&K's, and Rugers all in .45. Favorite pistol based on looks and function...H&K. Only one I still own and shoot on a regular basis just because it fits and I hit with it (I can hear the groans already but...) the Ruger kp97d...I know it has sintered metal parts, I know it's cheap, I know it's a little sloppy, and I know it doesn't have the cool factor of some weapons, but I love my little Ruger to death. All of the other pistols were probably higher quality, but none of them felt as good in my hand as the little Ruger..
 
Dave:

I know of two examples of G17's that claim to have digested over 200,000 rounds with only minor parts replacements. Chuck Taylor who runs the American Small Arms Academy has a G17 that he writes about on occasion. I think he was at about 250K rounds at last count. He loans the gun to students at his school. I have seen him write about this pistol in Combat Handguns and Glock Annual magazines. Periodically takes measurements and claims no changes have occurred in the pistol over its life so far.

Glock itself also has a G17 they use in testing that has 400K+ rounds though it. Wish I could remember where I saw that quoted...maybe Glock Annual magazine.

Anyway, Glocks are supposed to be extremely durable. Even a conventional 1911 barrel's interior surface should last more than 20K rounds. The pistolsmith I used for a 1911 project claimed that he expected his lead bullet bullseye competition customers to get 80-100K rounds from a Kart stainless barrel before he needed to fit a new barrel for them. What Glock uses for their barrel is harder than the stainless being used in Kart barrels.

I'd let Glock check your pistol over. It sounds to me like you got a bad barrel...maybe.

Jeff
 
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Sorry man, I couldn't resist. *Ducks incoming rounds from Dave's Glock*
 

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Leatherface said:
Glock vs 1911 on a Blade board?? hmm didnt see it coming:yawn:

OHHH well I will weigh in on this by asking a VERY simple question...

If you have BOTH and BOTH are out of bullets, which one is the easist to beat a man to death with??

A Grock that is made from some type of plastic??

OR

JMB's masterpiece that is made from METAL???



unpleasant dreams:D
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If you are out of bullets, then it's time to draw your khuk and show them that your serious!;)
 
As I general rule for a long time every new auto I bought I replaced the barrel with a Bar-Sto unit. I always send the gun to them for fitting. I did this with one of my 1911's, and compared to the factory barrel the patterns were remarkable. I knocked at least 2" off my groups at 25 yards overall and was really happy with my investment.

When I got my Glock model 19 I did the same thing, and actually wasted $150 at the time. Without a Ransom rest it was difficult to gauge the group differences, but I would say at most the new perfectly fitted stainless steel Bar-Sto barrel bought me 1/2". Had I known that I would have saved my $. The factory barrel was that good.

The downside to the bar-sto barrel is that you cannot run reloaded range ammo thru it, as the cases have expanded in the factory barrel prior to reloading and will not always feed in the match chamber of the bar-sto. No problem if you reload with new cases though, and not often encountered.

I shot in the Glock GSSF shoot for two years against 80 other guys and finished fourth the second year, and that with a factory unported pistol. The Model 19 was exceptionally accurate for a concealable 4" barrel that weighs only 23 oz. I run 15 rd. mags with +2 extensions on them which makes for some decent concealable firepower.

I bought my son a Model 23 .40 on the same frame, and he plans on carrying it as his off-duty weapon once he gets settled in at his new job.

Dave, I would take the advice of some of the good folks here and send it back to Glock with a report on the estimated rounds through it. At the same time, after they looked it over I would add a Bar-Sto barrel and a new stainless recoil spring guide and Wolff springs, as also suggested. 20,000 rounds is a good run for major caliber, and I think you've gotten your moneys worth. I would ask Glock to check the trigger though, and I'm sure they'll replace anything broken in that regard free of charge.

Norm
 
Already got her running again, Norm. It took some work, but it passes a function check now. It's still obvious that it has some mileage on it but it's safe at this point. If it starts getting wonky again in the near future, off to Smyrna with it.

Stainless guide rod, factory spring, and factory (unported) barrel should be here by the end of the week. Regardless of what else may or may not be wrong with the pistol, the guide rod was trashed, the spring was on its way out, and I already talked about the barrel enough.
 
Krull said:
What's true:the 1911's bore is higher then the Glock hence it kicks more ;) add to that the polymer frame on the Glock sokes up some more kick so all-in-all the 1911 can be damned uncomfortable to shoot...
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More Muzzle flip would be a more accurate description. since the glock weighs about ten ounces less than a 1911 (unloaded) the glock would technically "kick" more (recoil velocity). Felt recoil is however less in a glock because the grip is wider and spreads the force out better, and the bore axis is lower so the gun doesn't move as much (percieved recoil). and, as you said polymer flexes slightly absorbing some of the kick. Glocks are soft shooters, in my experience. Personally I think a Makarov "kicks" more than a Glock in 10mm - but I love em both.

Jeremiah
 
bullfrog99 said:
More Muzzle flip would be a more accurate description. since the glock weighs about ten ounces less than a 1911 (unloaded) the glock would technically "kick" more (recoil velocity). Felt recoil is however less in a glock because the grip is wider and spreads the force out better, and the bore axis is lower so the gun doesn't move as much (percieved recoil). and, as you said polymer flexes slightly absorbing some of the kick. Glocks are soft shooters, in my experience. Personally I think a Makarov "kicks" more than a Glock in 10mm - but I love em both.

Jeremiah
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I have a Mak,it's strange but the little bugger jumps around more then my Glock.....and the Glock is a bloody .45 while the Mak is a .380!!! :eek:

'bout the only pistol I can think to like more would be a H&K USP with a 5 inch barrel in .45 ;)

And btw-I'd carry a 9mm over the .45 in public,or better yet get a .357 Sig! :D
 
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