I used to like Ivory

needler420

needler420

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Not after watching two documentaries on netflix. After watching them I'd rather burn any Ivory material then letting them hold intrinsic monetary value.


The biggest Ivory bust in united states just happened in two antique stores in Manhattan NY within recent years.

The biggest contribution to the poaching is China's laws on Ivory and the west using the material to craft.

I like rare exotic materials. I love ebony wood. I could be ok if those trees went extinct. I watched dumbo too many times as a kid.

Watching the slaughter of poaching and all the little baby elephants die was very sad. They are a very smart species.

I will not deal with Ivory materials any longer pre ban or not. I don't like the idea of possessing something on intrinsic value at the cost of a species. Which before hand mI liked Ivory. I was even in the process of looking to find some raw material for scales. Now I will look for alternatives.
 
Good for you OP.
I prefer not to own anything made from animals if a reasonable alternative is available. Especially something like ivory which is harvested for that material alone and the meat isn't even eaten.
 
So giraffe bone would fall on the list now as well. I read recently the giraffe population is falling faster than the elephant population. I am not too worried about regular bovine or camel as they are domesticated.

,,,Mike in Canada
 
It's too bad they don't have an icon for standing applause, needler!

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Both documentaries say the pre-ban stockpile is ineffective and China's and US market consume the most leading to the poaching. And estimates say they will be extinct from the wild in 15 years. Only in captivity after that.

At least I got to see real elephants at the zoo and at the swap shop when Stevo used to be a clown there.
 
If I stumbled across some genuine pre-ban ivory I'd have no problem making knife scales out of it. Don't know enough about the ivory trade to know how I could be sure it was genuinely pre-ban.
 
So, did the OP not know that ivory came from elephants before watching the documentary?
Not sure why the sudden change of heart. :confused:
 
needler420 said:
Not after watching two documentaries on netflix. After watching them I'd rather burn any Ivory material then letting them hold intrinsic monetary value.


The biggest Ivory bust in united states just happened in two antique stores in Manhattan NY within recent years.

The biggest contribution to the poaching is China's laws on Ivory and the west using the material to craft.

I like rare exotic materials. I love ebony wood. I could be ok if those trees went extinct. I watched dumbo too many times as a kid.

Watching the slaughter of poaching and all the little baby elephants die was very sad. They are a very smart species.

I will not deal with Ivory materials any longer pre ban or not. I don't like the idea of possessing something on intrinsic value at the cost of a species. Which before hand mI liked Ivory. I was even in the process of looking to find some raw material for scales. Now I will look for alternatives.
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I get that you're saying that elephants are more worthy of not being poached out of existence than ebony trees, but it still seems ridiculous that you're "ok" with a living thing you "love" becoming extinct, and for a lot of the same reasons.
 
I'm with you. I've expressed my feelings to Derrick at KSF on this issue. I understand the pre/post ban argument, but don't find it persuasive. People need to stop selling and buying products made from endangered or threatened animals. We're supposed to be stewards, not rapacious idiots.
 
Current Ivory slipjoint covers actually come from salvaged piano keys.
while those piano keys may have originally been made with material acquired by such horrible means, salvaging these piano keys for slipjoint covers means that these eliphants are at least not being totally wasted. These elephants may have been killed, but luckily the part of them that they were killed for is giving joy to people and not just sitting in some landfill somewhere.
 
I find that most of the arguments "for" ivory are voiced by people who, or who have customers who, own products made of ivory which would lose considerable value in the face of an ivory ban. Custom fixed blades and slipjoints made with the material being among them.
 
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I'm with the OP - used to love the historic look and feel on my old Colt's, but I can pretty much get the same with the more upscale synthetics like (True Ivory?). We need to stop the slaughter (of a lot of creatures: elephants, whales, and humans, and however far down the list you care to go . . .).
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Never liked ivory. It looks like what it is, teeth, and I've never seen the appeal.
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Nor have I. It is also not useful when talking about actually using a knife for me. I'll take Micarta, G10, FRN, Kraton, and any number of other materials over it, even wood and I dislike wood. Then throw in all the Elephant stuff. No thanks.
 
I'm not a fan of Ivory, and don't think elephants should it should have ever been killed.
However I don't have anything against using salvaged piano keys to make scales as this means that these elephants which were killed aren't just going to waste, but I wish that there was a foundation that takes the money made on salvaging piano keys and the knives that have them and uses it to fund conservation efforts for wildlife in Africa.
 
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