I want a 9... Must buy myself a christmas present

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I have two 16s, two 15s, a 5, a 10(I likes).

My biggest knife is a condor hudson bay I was using to widdle of the bark off a small spruce log and the edge rolled over and got some nicks in the edge just from that. (had the Baryonyx special grade option sharpened blade). Been using it to batton kindling in my back yard.

I widdled the same spruce wood bark with my BK10 and edge is great still. So I want a better steel big knife than this condor

Kinda researched the ontario RTAK II and some others for a big knife .
 
I have two 16s, two 15s, a 5, a 10(I likes).

My biggest knife is a condor hudson bay I was using to widdle of the bark off a small spruce log and the edge rolled over and got some nicks in the edge just from that. (had the Baryonyx special grade option sharpened blade). Been using it to batton kindling in my back yard.

I widdled the same spruce wood bark with my BK10 and edge is great still. So I want a better steel big knife than this condor

Kinda researched the ontario RTAK II and some others for a big knife .

I don't really understand where you're going with this post. Just go buy a damn 9. [emoji2][emoji106] then post a lot of pics!!!
 
The BK-9 will have a heat cooling warped blade, the RTAK II probably not... Something to bear in mind...

Gaston
 
I also have a condor Hudson Bay. I too, have experienced horrible edge rolling from the softest woodwork. To the point I don't even use it, just use the sheath for a becker. I'm fairly sure it has to do with the grind, more than the steel, but I'm sure it's the heat treat a bit too.The 9 will fill the roll nicely, but so will the 4, and it's cheaper right now, and boy is it just neat. You can't not have a 9, and I do, but the 4 earned my heart.

Not sure what Gaston is talking about, the 9 won't have a warped blade, at least not with more frequency than any other, including the RTAK II.

But the 50-100b with kabar's heat treat is fantastic, and opened my mind to the fact that some steel *can* chop and mangle wood without any damage! Go for what you want, you'll be happy!
 
dude ... Dude ... DUDE ...

Did you not take advantage of the Kabar Kash sale and pick up some sweet deals?! :eek:
 
I dont "get" the crocked down shaped handle on the 4. Rather have a straight handle. Unless its for using as a draw knife?
 
The BK-9 will have a heat cooling warped blade, the RTAK II probably not... Something to bear in mind...

Gaston
What the hell are you talking about, again? You seem to rather enjoy trolling the Becker sub-forum with no substantiated claims and no chance for anyone to make anything right IF there is anything wrong.

I dont "get" the crocked down shaped handle on the 4. Rather have a straight handle. Unless its for using as a draw knife?
The reason for the canted blade is for a higher tip speed which leads to better chopping. It helps the "small" knife chop more like a hatchet/ax than a knife. The blade actually truly excels when used with a "snap cut" which is basically holding the knife with the pinky/ring finger loose until right before contacting the media and then clenching the hand snapping the knife into said media.
 
Yeah, Gaston is just a loser troll who spreads lies and has really sucky and stupid opinions that in his weak little mind are facts...

Anywho...
You'll love the 9, the only issue you may have would be neglected other Beckers for a while...
 
I heard that many other than mine were cooling warped.

Just allowing that out of the door means it is within QC tolerances, and within QC tolerances means its common... My Randall Model 18 has some slight cooling warp, but it is barely visible, my Becker was far, far worse. None of my other Randalls has even a suggestion of this, so I would say avoid the Model 18s if you care...

Any company that allows this crap even once will never see another dime from me, but you still may get lucky: My BK-9 was bad enough that if you say yours is fine I'd like to see a picture.

Meanwhile here's a picture from someone other than me that illustrates a curve to the opposite side from mine, but not anywhere near as bad as mine was:

rgR1ke4.jpg

YxKZWTo.jpg


Here's the thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...the-box-pictures-inside-what-to-do-negligible

The BK-9s are actually fairly thin-edged knives with fair edges, but the vibrations from the handle while chopping killed any usefulness mine had for me...: You could still use it well, but I had many knives that were far better, the benchmarks for me being the Randall Model 12 and the Lile "Mission", either of which out-chop the Bk-9 by almost two to one... The Mission being actually the lightest of them at 16.9 ounces, and neither the Lile or Randall will wring your hand with vibrations...

If your BK-9 is straight, I'd be curious to see a spine shot.

Gaston
 
I must've received one of the few straight-nonvibratory handled ones...

I'll keep buying more and more...

And no...I'm not wasting my time and effort to take pics to prove it.
If I had an issue, I'd prove it...but nothing to prove when there's nothing wrong...

I haven't had any issues whatsoever with comfort when chopping. I will admit I'm not going after anything so hard that would cause massive vibration. If that were the case I would use an appropriate tool. But never felt anything close to even grab my attention as far as vibration when chopping goes...
 
Blah blah blah ...but I had many knives that were far better, the benchmarks for me being the Randall Model 12 and the Lile "Mission", either of which out-chop the Bk-9 by almost two to one... The Mission being actually the lightest of them at 16.9 ounces, and neither the Lile or Randall will wring your hand with vibrations....

Gaston

Randall Model 12, 9" blade: $560.00
Lile Next Gen Mission Knife, 10" blade: a whopping $2250.00!! (Both prices directly from their respective makers' sites)

Riiight...a totally fair comparison...that's like comparing the handling between a corvette and a jeep...you know what can out chop both of those knives by at least 2 to 1? My $40 Fiskars axe...

Sorry you seem to have gotten a bad Becker, but mine seem pretty darn straight, and I experience none of the vibrations that seem to give you trouble. I actually find the handles very comfortable for heavy tasks like light chopping and battoning. Besides, when I'm out woods bumming, I try to: a)use the right tool whenever possible, and b)slow down and enjoy myself out there. If that means it take 15 whacks to get thru a branch instead of 8, then so be it...
 
Putting aside the Drama-O-Rama in some of this thread, I can tell you from first hand experience that you will enjoy owning and using the BK-4 and the BK-9.

If you have to stage the purchases I would get the 4 now due to pricing and availability in real time compared to the future and keep you sights set on a 9 because, as has been so eloquently stated here many time, you can't not have a nine.
 
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I heard that many other than mine were cooling warped.

Just allowing that out of the door means it is within QC tolerances, and within QC tolerances means its common... My Randall Model 18 has some slight cooling warp, but it is barely visible, my Becker was far, far worse. None of my other Randalls has even a suggestion of this, so I would say avoid the Model 18s if you care...

Any company that allows this crap even once will never see another dime from me, but you still may get lucky: My BK-9 was bad enough that if you say yours is fine I'd like to see a picture.

Meanwhile here's a picture from someone other than me that illustrates a curve to the opposite side from mine, but not anywhere near as bad as mine was:

rgR1ke4.jpg

YxKZWTo.jpg


Here's the thread:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...the-box-pictures-inside-what-to-do-negligible

The BK-9s are actually fairly thin-edged knives with fair edges, but the vibrations from the handle while chopping killed any usefulness mine had for me...: You could still use it well, but I had many knives that were far better, the benchmarks for me being the Randall Model 12 and the Lile "Mission", either of which out-chop the Bk-9 by almost two to one... The Mission being actually the lightest of them at 16.9 ounces, and neither the Lile or Randall will wring your hand with vibrations...

If your BK-9 is straight, I'd be curious to see a spine shot.

Gaston

Are we sure the table top is flat? I've got a very nice oak table that would do just that with a laser beam. Very nice table too.
 
Well, after you get the 9, don't forget the 21. Then you can branch out and get an M-81 from Todd Hunt. Large blades are lots of fun!
 
The BK-9 will have a heat cooling warped blade, the RTAK II probably not... Something to bear in mind...

Gaston

This problem occurs so rarely I think it's better to talk about the norm (excellent blades) than the exception (warped blade)
 
This problem occurs so rarely I think it's better to talk about the norm (excellent blades) than the exception (warped blade)

I shouldn't have said "warped", as that implies a kind of serious useability issue... It is purely a cosmetic issue, so I should have said "heat curved". It never has been a useability issue, only a cosmetic issue, but one I consider very dire...

Maybe Becker, by some miraculous coincidence, lucked out that the on the first and only one I ever bought, the blade was obviously heat curved, this falling on just on the one guy who cared...

But you shouldn't look at it that way: Cooling straightness is always a danger and an obvious issue on all knives, even customs that cost thousands (I have seen it, and also on one very mild one on one of my four Randalls). It takes only a second to check for straightness, and the fact they let it pass tells far more than you want to recognize...: It means that something that takes a second to check, or would take seconds to prevent with cooling plates, is not segregated against and is not prevented (the Randall Model 18 might have been caused by the peculiar handle welding, so more difficult to prevent) ... That even one went through speaks of an inferior QC, on something that is a very basic issue they watched for even in the Middle Ages...: Probably the guy finishing it knew the rough blank he was working on was curved, and he didn't care... If that's who you want finishing your blades... Well that's why some people pay more...

You can bet no Chris Reeves ever came out heat curved: Not even one...

Sure the Becker still can cut, but it all depends if you want something that is as good as it can be, regardless of price, or just some mass-produced item made without much care...: The heat curving is a clear sign of second-rate concern for an object that is often invested by the owner with many fond memories...: I can point to other cheap knives that would NEVER have heat curved blades: Nothing recently made in Seki-City Japan, no matter how cheap, will ever show any heat-curving, and neither will anything from dull-edge mall-Ninjaesque TOPS knives... No Cold Steel knife made in either Japan or Taiwan will ever have any heat curving, though the only American-made Cold Steel I ever owned, a 1991 Recon Tanto in Carbon V, was heat-curved...

It all depends what your tolerance level is: If you don't care that the people making it, knowing what they are doing, don't care, then fine. But even some cheap $40 knives are better made than this, and will never show this kind of flaw, so it is not a matter of being a knife snob... No knife should ever be made like this, regardless of price.

Rather than getting the BK-9, I would recommend getting the Ontario SP-52 in the same price range, especially for use as a chopper... One thing is true is that the Bk-9 sheath is very good for its price, so that could weight against the SP-52...: No question that in straightness and blade performance the Ontario SP-52 is way better, even on the Becker's own terms.

Gaston
 
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