I want a 9... Must buy myself a christmas present

Geez man...get out and use a knife once in a while...
It's a tool... Meant for hard use, who cares...go play dress up with your little shiny hollow handles...

I'll put up any Becker against any of your Randal's any day...
Yeah, I'd win because you won't do crap...just look at it and cry if it gets a little blemish.

We use our blades here and all you want to do is talk cosmetics and put down our favorites in this forum because they're not as pretty as anything +5X its price...

If you actually spent time here instead of just popping in to put down Beckers, you'd understand the mindset of Becker fans. We buy them, mod them, use them....
 
Yeah not much of a Randall fan. High price and 5 year waiting list for 440B stainless or O1 carbon just not my cup of tea. They are well made I am sure though. As far as beckers go I'm 3 for 3. 3 great users. But that said Beckers are not Randalls and I wouldn't expect them to have comparative fit and finish. Becker is active member here, send that pic over to their forum. Show him, it has his name on it. I would put a dollar on it he gets back to you.
 
In the instruction booklet

All Becker Knives may have slight defect
Put to use
If problem not fixed must be YOU

Love me some Randall's



KEEP EM SHARP
 
Gaston444 said:
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Gaston
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Yeah, no. Speaking as someone who actually works with large blades, this just isn't true. I've gotten back blades from heat treat that were ground as perfectly flat as I could make them, and still ended up with warp. And that's with top quality modern steels, and the same professional heat treat company that does many of the major custom makers here. Warp is a fact of life when it comes to working with steel. You have to be able to correct that to an acceptable degree. Not to mention, half of the examples of warp I've seen online weren't actually the blades at all. They were the so-called flat surface. And basic issue in the middle ages? Don't be absurd. In the middle ages, the amount of curvature you're looking at wouldn't have been noticed, or cared about. They cared about functionality, not meaningless drivel. They also didn't really have perfectly flat surfaces in their forges to check for. What all this tells me is that you know nothing of metallurgy, and have never done a heat treat yourself, or been close enough to one to know how it works.

And let's go ahead and AGAIN tell you to stop comparing Beckers to CRK's, or other custom knives that are many times more expensive. For less than half of the cost of a CRK, you could buy another BK9, which will work just as well as your first one, and will likely NOT have any curvature. You'd rather whine about it. We get that. We actually like to use knives, so if it works, we don't care. We understand metallurgy, and we understand the limitations of a factory setting. In fact, ask a professional heat treater how likely warp is with a long blade. They'll tell you that it's pretty much guaranteed.
 
Previous discussion taken under consideration.....I own an RTAK II and a couple BK-9's. And a Junglas, and .....some other large choppers. For the price, the 9 is called "the King" with good reason. The RTAK II, though it has factory Micarta, doesn't have the ergos of the 9 and doesn't chop quite as well, in my experience. The sheath is a little nicer, however.....sheaths don't have edges, and big flat Micarta scales don't give you a good grip. Just get a 9, wail on it - and if you are not completely satisfied with your purchase ;), sell it and get most of your money back and chalk the loss up to a great learning experience for virtually NO money. The 9....well, you'll see. And, since NO thread is complet without pics, here you go:

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Sticks and stones... and what not.

You can't compare high-end customs to mass produced...

Show us something to respect you for, Mr. Gaston...

Show us that you have enough skill to back up your claims.

Until then... cool it. We don't want to read it. WE like our Beckers A LOT! I don't put down any knife maker, designer, or manufacturer. You don't see anybody here going into other forums and blasting the flagship brand for being inferior, or outrageously overpriced... Do you?

Beckerheads... ignore this Gaston person until he earns some small amount of respect.

To the OP... hold a Becker in your hand, then hold ANY other knife... you will go back to the Becker. This I can say from REAL EXPERIENCE.
 
Gaston just likes to spew garbage wherever he goes, he's one of those guys that no matter what the topic he has to make up some reason why everyone else is wrong and he's right, even if it means contradicting previous garbage he's said.


On topic the 9 isn't called king for nothing, I love mine and it out chops every other large knife I've used. The only other blade that could replace it as primary chopper would be the bk21.

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Ha,,,, Just ordered a BK9.... $85.99 free shipping - Arrival 3-10 business days

So Ill have BK9, 10, 5, (2)16s, (2)15s
 
JDMiller said:
Ha,,,, Just ordered a BK9.... $85.99 free shipping - Arrival 3-10 business days

So Ill have BK9, 10, 5, (2)16s, (2)15s
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Congrats you should love it, it's one of those knives that you don't think you have a need for until you get and start using it...It makes short work of most tasks, like I just trimmed 7 bushes with mine while my wife was still on her first one using clippers. A few well placed swings gives a bush a nice flat top.
 
JDMiller said:
Ha,,,, Just ordered a BK9.... $85.99 free shipping - Arrival 3-10 business days

So Ill have BK9, 10, 5, (2)16s, (2)15s
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Ha Ha. Mine will be here tomorrow!
That will be BK9, 10, (2)5s, (2)15s. Need to get to work...
 
Gaston444 said:
I shouldn't have said "warped", as that implies a kind of serious useability issue... It is purely a cosmetic issue, so I should have said "heat curved". It never has been a useability issue, only a cosmetic issue, but one I consider very dire...

Maybe Becker, by some miraculous coincidence, lucked out that the on the first and only one I ever bought, the blade was obviously heat curved, this falling on just on the one guy who cared...

But you shouldn't look at it that way: Cooling straightness is always a danger and an obvious issue on all knives, even customs that cost thousands (I have seen it, and also on one very mild one on one of my four Randalls). It takes only a second to check for straightness, and the fact they let it pass tells far more than you want to recognize...: It means that something that takes a second to check, or would take seconds to prevent with cooling plates, is not segregated against and is not prevented (the Randall Model 18 might have been caused by the peculiar handle welding, so more difficult to prevent) ... That even one went through speaks of an inferior QC, on something that is a very basic issue they watched for even in the Middle Ages...: Probably the guy finishing it knew the rough blank he was working on was curved, and he didn't care... If that's who you want finishing your blades... Well that's why some people pay more...

You can bet no Chris Reeves ever came out heat curved: Not even one...

Sure the Becker still can cut, but it all depends if you want something that is as good as it can be, regardless of price, or just some mass-produced item made without much care...: The heat curving is a clear sign of second-rate concern for an object that is often invested by the owner with many fond memories...: I can point to other cheap knives that would NEVER have heat curved blades: Nothing recently made in Seki-City Japan, no matter how cheap, will ever show any heat-curving, and neither will anything from dull-edge mall-Ninjaesque TOPS knives... No Cold Steel knife made in either Japan or Taiwan will ever have any heat curving, though the only American-made Cold Steel I ever owned, a 1991 Recon Tanto in Carbon V, was heat-curved...

It all depends what your tolerance level is: If you don't care that the people making it, knowing what they are doing, don't care, then fine. But even some cheap $40 knives are better made than this, and will never show this kind of flaw, so it is not a matter of being a knife snob... No knife should ever be made like this, regardless of price.

Rather than getting the BK-9, I would recommend getting the Ontario SP-52 in the same price range, especially for use as a chopper... One thing is true is that the Bk-9 sheath is very good for its price, so that could weight against the SP-52...: No question that in straightness and blade performance the Ontario SP-52 is way better, even on the Becker's own terms.

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I've seen warped Randalls. I owned a warped #1 for a while, but I used it a lot and didn't really care (and didn't notice until I was attached to it. You say you yourself have a warped Randall-if you'd contacted them they would've made it right. I had a warped street bowie from Spyderco-they made it right as soon as they knew about it.
If your 9 is warped, Ethan and Kabar will make it right-and if it's vibrating either a) the scales are loose or b) you're not hitting at the point of percussion. I have 4 Beckers, two of which are marked blems and I can't figure out what's wrong with 'em-and I am not a duffer at this knifemaking thing, either.
 
Gaston444 said:
I shouldn't have said "warped", as that implies a kind of serious useability issue... It is purely a cosmetic issue, so I should have said "heat curved". It never has been a useability issue, only a cosmetic issue, but one I consider very dire...

Maybe Becker, by some miraculous coincidence, lucked out that the on the first and only one I ever bought, the blade was obviously heat curved, this falling on just on the one guy who cared...

But you shouldn't look at it that way: Cooling straightness is always a danger and an obvious issue on all knives, even customs that cost thousands (I have seen it, and also on one very mild one on one of my four Randalls). It takes only a second to check for straightness, and the fact they let it pass tells far more than you want to recognize...: It means that something that takes a second to check, or would take seconds to prevent with cooling plates, is not segregated against and is not prevented (the Randall Model 18 might have been caused by the peculiar handle welding, so more difficult to prevent) ... That even one went through speaks of an inferior QC, on something that is a very basic issue they watched for even in the Middle Ages...: Probably the guy finishing it knew the rough blank he was working on was curved, and he didn't care... If that's who you want finishing your blades... Well that's why some people pay more...

You can bet no Chris Reeves ever came out heat curved: Not even one...

Sure the Becker still can cut, but it all depends if you want something that is as good as it can be, regardless of price, or just some mass-produced item made without much care...: The heat curving is a clear sign of second-rate concern for an object that is often invested by the owner with many fond memories...: I can point to other cheap knives that would NEVER have heat curved blades: Nothing recently made in Seki-City Japan, no matter how cheap, will ever show any heat-curving, and neither will anything from dull-edge mall-Ninjaesque TOPS knives... No Cold Steel knife made in either Japan or Taiwan will ever have any heat curving, though the only American-made Cold Steel I ever owned, a 1991 Recon Tanto in Carbon V, was heat-curved...

It all depends what your tolerance level is: If you don't care that the people making it, knowing what they are doing, don't care, then fine. But even some cheap $40 knives are better made than this, and will never show this kind of flaw, so it is not a matter of being a knife snob... No knife should ever be made like this, regardless of price.

Rather than getting the BK-9, I would recommend getting the Ontario SP-52 in the same price range, especially for use as a chopper... One thing is true is that the Bk-9 sheath is very good for its price, so that could weight against the SP-52...: No question that in straightness and blade performance the Ontario SP-52 is way better, even on the Becker's own terms.

Gaston
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Gaston, I think you've spread enough OCD around to make your perspective clear. I'm not convinced your comments about "dire" and "danger" represent reality, however.
As others have pointed out, you might want to go use your knives and get back to us. Consider that a "dire" suggestion from this subforum's administration, maybe? You know... before the trolling infractions begin.
 
i've read this thread to realize who's warped

physical materials are never likely to be perfect

like that table top. unless you have a certified optical flat, just give up already. the knife is statistically likely to be flatted than wood which has a tendency to move over time.

hell, your own body moves a bit. bone migration. good times.

nature abhors straight lines. mostly :D
 
JDMiller said:
I dont "get" the crocked down shaped handle on the 4. Rather have a straight handle. Unless its for using as a draw knife?
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uhm, don't you know what a kukri type object is by now? :D

straight blades are practically an exception
 
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