I won't buy another Non Buck knife again.

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exiled13

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A buddy owns a gun shop. Knowing that I was looking for a new knife he suggested a Hogue. I had never heard of em before. I go to his shop and he shows me an online catalog. I settle on an EXO1 with green G10 handles and tanto blade. This is a $170 knife. He's charging me his price of $130 out the door. I pull the trigger cause my brother told me he would buy it from me if I didn't like it.
Let me say there's nothing wrong w/ this knife craftmanship wise. However what I don't like about it is personual taste. Its suppose to be as big a knife as the Bravo and CSAR-T folder. This knife only weighs alittle over half what they weigh. The blade isn't as thick by a good bit. The thumbstud is really under size for me as well and the handle. This knife is a nightmare for me to deploy and work with gloves on. Which is most of the day. The tanto blade was nothing special even though nothing wrong w/ it. I was going to give the knife until the weekend but I just couldn't stand it. I had to get my bravo back in my hand.I'm afraid I'm going to have to suck up to the ATS-34 steel and get the CSAR-T folder.
If you like expence slick narrow knifes you might want to give this knife a try.
 
Loyalty is great, but why deny yourself the enjoyment of some other high quality, reasonably priced knives? Just sayin' ...
 
i was at sportsmens warehouse and saw the csar-t folding knife and wanted to look at it, but seems the sales guy had blinders on and only noticed the customers at the middle of the knife area. so i walked to the middle then he only noticed the couple that was at the knife counter as well. i wanted to check out that knife pretty bad . so looks like i'll have to get that knife at another store instead.

if you want the csar-t you should get it instead. get what ya want ya know.
 
ono724 said:
Loyalty is great, but why deny yourself the enjoyment of some other high quality, reasonably priced knives? Just sayin' ...
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Very good question and even better point. My reason is because at the moment w/ what Buck already has on the table there's already a few I would like to try out. I'm sure Buck will be designing something new that I'll want. Its really not loyality its that Buck actually has what I want if that makes any sense.
Kidcoyote it really is that easy. Only I make it harder than it has to be. I've put off the csar-t because of the ats-34 steel. It bugs me that it and 154cm and cpm154 is the same steel but ats is a japanese steel. The 154s being American just seems like a better choice for an American knife. Right or wrong its how I think. I'm just going to have to get over it I reckon.
 
I've been looking at the Houge folders and I agree with you that the Houge Tanto is ugly. You didn't mention if you got the small or large one. I would have gone with the large, clip point version. I've handled it at Cabelas and it was my favorite of the folding knives I've handled. Then again, so is the Buck Mayo in S30V.
 
I own them both. I've carried the CSAR-T exactly once, it just sits in the drawer now, collecting dust. The Hogue is in my top 10 all-time best folders. There is no comparison between the two, including price. The Hogue has the ergonomics, the cutting/slicing ability, ease of use (opening and ESPECIALLY closing as compared to the CSAR-T). Its blade geometry is so much better than the Buck's. Fit and finish are an absolute joke on the CSAR, blade off-center so badly it scrapes the opposite scale, locking liner almost touching the opposite liner out of the box when locked, scales not flush with the frame, uneven grind. It's a massive tank of a knife and it will never break, but that's about all the positive I can think to say of it. It's very hard to unlock, particularly for a linerlock, and I suspect Buck did this because the massive locking liner and the tension it affords is the only thing preventing side to side bladeplay.
The Hogue has perfect F&F. The only other knife that I know off that handles so smoothly is the XM-18, a knife way more expensive again. For its size, the EX01 is very compact and light, yet very strong (as demonstrated by the designer).
If you insist on being 'loyal' to one brand (whatever that means), don't let me stop you. But to make out like Buck, or any one brand, offers everything you can ever need or want is laughable. And Buck makes quite a few knives that should inspire a lot more 'loyalty' than the CSAR should. :barf:
 
exiled13 said:
Right or wrong it's how I think.
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and right there we have the shortcomings of democracy. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's your opinion and should be valued just as much as anyone else's. No insult intended to exiled13, it's just he's illustrated the point I'm trying to make. If I wandered around asserting the 'fact' that the sky is yellow and the sea is pink, should people take my assertions, seriously? What about if I can get 30,000 people to sign a petition agreeing with me? What about if I can get more than half the country to agree with me? When does my (ridiculous) theory ever become the truth? You must have seen people in crowds, when has their collective intellect ever exceeded that of the stupidest member amongst them? To me, the more people agree with a statement, the less I'm inclined to believe its veracity.
To return to the topic, though. You don't like the csar because the steel isn't American? Forget about demand and pricing or performance issues, Although you have already stated that there's no difference performance -wise in the Steels, so it must be a pricing/availability issue. Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is and accept a price hike? Or are you just grumbling because the world is bigger than your local fishpond?
BTW. You better sit down for this one, you do know that the name of the knife is Russian :eek: and derives from Latin :eek::eek:?
 
J Hubbard said:
New batches will have 154-CM instead of ATS-34
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That will pacify some people, I suppose... those who don't realize that they're both equally good blade steels. ATS-34 is great, certainly just as hard & tough as 154CM.
 
I absolutely love my hogue 3.5" and not a tanto. it is the best folder I have ever owned. Never tried to open it with gloves on though. For me and my tastes it is close to perfect.
 
I won't buy another powder steel knife.

I just don't trust ANY steel made from powder.

I want real steel and I don't care if it comes from Japan, Taiwan, Tai-Chi, or Timbuktu.

Right or wrong, it's how I think.

:D
 
This discussion brought to mind one that was had here just recently. Dave (not me) made this statement. It made me wonder? Is the ATS-34 steel used in them made in Japan or here in the US (under license I'd assume) as Dave seems to say in his post?

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try s30v... it is highly rust resist and holds an edge longer then 420HC
as to cm154 it sounds good but i have not used it
ats34..i have seen one that had spots on it
the name is traded marked in japen but ...
as to were the steel truly comes from ...
if it is marked as made in usa
on the blade then it is made here "
 
Wow man there's too much to cover to quote anybody. I hope I don't lose anybody or leave anything out. The Exo1 I got was suppose to be the largest Hogue offered. I can't swear it was it was just my understanding.
About this loyality thing. I'm not loyal to Buck. I owe them nothing. It just so happens that they have what I want. Where is it written I have to have andraw full of different brand knives. Wait a second I do have a draw full of different brand knives. I have K-Bar, crkt, gerber,kershaw just to name a few. I just so happen to love my Bucks. I am posting in the Buck forum right? It is legal to love Bucks right?
No that's the beauty of demacrocy. Everybody can like something else. Unlike some countries where you have to like or at least own what the power party says you do.
I've watched and read a lot of reviews on the knife and not 1 had compants like 1 read here. On 1 review on youtube guy says the blade is unceared but its not touching the liners cause we can see it.
I know the steels are the same. I've said it over and over. Nobody here brouight that to my attention.so yall are telling me I'm wrong w/ wanting a knife that 100% espeacially seening how the steel is the same as the American steel? How does that work? So I'm to be ashamed to be American? Its not going to happen.
Remember I had nothing bad to say about the Hogue knife. It is a very good knife. Just not what I'm looking for.
 
if you want to buy american only steel thats cool with me. no one should have an issue with that. i believe in a global economy but i also believe that america should be put first for americans. call me patriotic or a nationalist whatever you want. i just don't believe in chinesse dominated economy worldwide. i think we need to scale back on that one right there. they make enough products for every country all over the world. but i'm sure no one wants to talk poltics.

you could think i'lll buy the csar-t since its a collaboration between two american companys, buck and tops. they use some american sourced materials and some materials sourced from other countrys. its manufactured by americans the knife is anyways, and the sheath most likely from chicom.

nothing in life seems to be so black and white, lots of grey area we live in.

either way i'd love to have one of these. when i get some extra cash for a more expensive knife this will have to be one of them, along with a paradigm. i really like that sandvick swedish steel alot more companys are using.

though i'm sure i've rambled on enough already.
 
parbajtor said:
and right there we have the shortcomings of democracy. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's your opinion and should be valued just as much as anyone else's. No insult intended to exiled13, it's just he's illustrated the point I'm trying to make. If I wandered around asserting the 'fact' that the sky is yellow and the sea is pink, should people take my assertions, seriously? What about if I can get 30,000 people to sign a petition agreeing with me? What about if I can get more than half the country to agree with me? When does my (ridiculous) theory ever become the truth? You must have seen people in crowds, when has their collective intellect ever exceeded that of the stupidest member amongst them? To me, the more people agree with a statement, the less I'm inclined to believe its veracity.
To return to the topic, though. You don't like the csar because the steel isn't American? Forget about demand and pricing or performance issues, Although you have already stated that there's no difference performance -wise in the Steels, so it must be a pricing/availability issue. Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is and accept a price hike? Or are you just grumbling because the world is bigger than your local fishpond?
BTW. You better sit down for this one, you do know that the name of the knife is Russian :eek: and derives from Latin :eek::eek:?
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Did you really say the name is russian? Really. The name is combat, search and rescue tool. Them word might be russian or latin.
Brother you went over the hill. I in way have tried to stop Buck from making the knife w/ ats-34 or have stated that the ocean was pink. My statement is I want a knife w/ American steel. I also have said if the steel used was a different steel and had vantages I could see that also. This is the problem w/ your statements that I have. You assume since I have an opinion that I'm trying convince you of something. Get over yourself I don't care what you buy, like, or think thought I was very clear in what I said and meant. I bought a very nice knife and well built. I just didn't like it. To be clean here I like my Buck Bravo better than the Hogue EX01. Whatever in that is over opinionated and hurt your feels you must get over it.
I do notice that you enjoy the right to have opinion and find value in expressing it.
To answer your question yes I would be willing to give more money for the American steel. This not unlike custome builting a 110. Brother to be honest I don't see any of your points.
 
Like Czar or Tsar......which are really unrelated to the acronym in question (which is just an acronym).

;)
 
If you don't see my point, let me paraphrase your "argument" in food terms. Imagine I'm posting on the cornflakes section of a food forum. I start with the title
"I'm never eating anything but kelloggs cornflakes again".
I tried a potato once, to be honest, it was ok, filling, nutritious and tasted ok, nothing particular wrong with it, but it wasn't made from corn and didn't have any flakes in it. It was also difficult to eat with a spoon. If you like expence (sic) bulky round food you might want to give this a try."

Following a hint that there may be other nice foods out there, I follow up with

"yeah but cornflakes give me all I need" and it really bugs me that Kelloggs are also making maize flakes I'd like to try them but they ain't made from corn. That's just the way I think."

and then just a bit later

"The word is twat and means trans world airways tourist. You say that's a rude word? Get over yourself. I don't see your point."

and finish with

"Oh, come to think of it, I have a larder with other foodstuffs in it, not made by Kelloggs"


So apart from the fact I like cornflakes, what point did I make?

EDIT: No, I assumed that because you POSTED your opinion, you were trying to convince me and everyone else reading it of something
 
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parbajtor said:
No, I assumed that because you POSTED your opinion, you were trying to convince me and everyone else reading it of something
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Thats why I told you to get over yourself. Your not making a point. Bottom line what your saying is "shut up I'm the only 1 allowed an opinion. If I allow you to have 1 you mind change mine". I come to this conclusion simply cause thats your focus and even called it an arguement. Never once did act 21 and say something like "if you like this knife you might like???" "I saw this knife it looks like something your looking for" or even "have you ever heard of?". These are statements that makes points. It gives me something to look at and consider. No what you want to do is tell me I cant like something and not something else and sure as hell talk about it.
BG, for the life of me I couldnt think of the word acronym. I racked my brain it just would come to me. Thank you, thank you. I'm not having a pissing contest. I'm really trying to understand dude's point. I'm finding more and more he just doesnt have one.
 
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