I won't buy another Non Buck knife again.

BG42EDGE said:
Like Czar or Tsar......which are really unrelated to the acronym in question (which is just an acronym).

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Yes , it is . CSAR-T hasn't any relations with Russian title of King , which sounds like Tsar or Czar by Latin caracters.
 
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BG, for the life of me I couldnt think of the word acronym. I racked my brain it just would come to me. Thank you, thank you.
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You're welcome.......I know how it is, sometimes the words are there in my mind and sometimes they're not.

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I agree that the man does not seem to have a point or even care to have a point.

Saying that the acronym CSAR-T name came from "Caesar" is like saying SCUBA came from Scooby-Doo.

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BG42EDGE said:
You're welcome.......I know how it is, sometimes the words are there in my mind and sometimes they're not.

:)

I agree that the man does not seem to have a point or even care to have a point.

Saying that the acronym CSAR-T name came from "Caesar" is like saying SCUBA came from Scooby-Doo.

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Man that's to funny. Scuba is an acronym thats pronounced. Does anybody pronounce csar-t? I never do. If I verbalize it I say combat,search, and rescue tool. It never accured to me that someone might actually call it a czar or however it would be pronounced? I reckonnitnwould have to be pronounced to be a acronym. Other wise it would just be an abbrevation. So which is it?
parbajtor I didn't comment on a point you tried to make earlier cause I didn't know what a larder was. I had to look it up. Now knowing the word I again fail to see your reason. Which is it.when can I have a valued opinion. Yes my gun cabnet has a draw full of knifes. Folders, fixed, blades. All kinds of brands. 3 knifes stay in my truck which only 1 is a Buck and the other 2 is crkt and gerger. Crkt is a safty liner lock and gerber a button lock and Buck a fixed blade vandguard. In my front right pocket is always a Buck. Past couple of yrs has been the Bravo. I would think this expernace would entitle me to an opinion of what I do or do not like. Do you not agree w/ that?
 
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Well, Exiled......I do agree and I personally see no reason to buy any knife other than Buck at this time in my life.

They have a bullet-proof warranty, excellent quality, reasonable cost and they offer every kind of knife anybody could possibly need........and they're American.

They are an institution. America's last Classic Old Knife Empire (COKE). (Acronym has nothing to do with Coca-Cola or other drugs.)

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Exiled- I think you should buy whatever makes you happy...IMO, that is the bottom line.

I have to say, this has been an amusing thread...especially the Russian "CSAR" part :D That's classic.
 
Thanks BG and ONO. I have to say this thread didn't go the way I for seen. I really thought we would talk about the amazing quality of Hogue and possible learn about some nice other knifes. Oh well I did have some laughs.
 
BG42EDGE said:
Well, Exiled......I do agree and I personally see no reason to buy any knife other than Buck at this time in my life.

They have a bullet-proof warranty, excellent quality, reasonable cost and they offer every kind of knife anybody could possibly need........and they're American.

They are an institution. America's last Classic Old Knife Empire (COKE). (Acronym has nothing to do with Coca-Cola or other drugs.)

:D
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Those are all pretty good reasons to make the statement "I won't buy another non-Buck knife again". At least they're reasons and you're making a point, ok, the statement about every kind of knife anyone could possibly need is arguable (all you other production manufacturers and customs guys may as well give up now, Buck does it all), but they're valid reasons.
Everyone has, and is entitled to, an opinion. When publicly announcing that opinion, it's customary to back it up with your reason(s) for that opinion, generally because you're asking for agreement with that opinion or your looking to test those reasons for validity. Otherwise it's just graffitti or fan-boy advertising. I would value the opinion of someone I know personally and respect, but would probably still ask them to give their reasons for that opinion, when reading the opinions of someone I don't know, then I expect the reasoning to accompany that opinion. If the OP had said that he had a drawerful of knives, all kinds of brands and then made the statement, I'd say "OK" but also question whether he was about to sell/trade all those other brands for Buck or maybe just replace them with Buck if they were lost/stolen/irrepairably broken. Either way, if those are not his intentions, then the statement isn't true and the OP is effectively Trolling (most likely unintentionally) and wrapping it in the flag to hide the fact.

BTW. SCUBA could not have come from Scooby-Doo because the acronym preceded the cartoon by some 30 years. This is not quite as big a time difference as the use of the word Csar/Czar/Tsar/Tzar, but do you really expect anyone to believe that the Marketing Department didn't consider how the acronym/abbreviation would be used before they chose that sequence and combination? They could have called it T-Racs, Carts, starc, etc. or picked other synonyms to make different acronyms, but to think that the acronym wasn't considered stretches credulity. "Hmmn, The Emperor Knife, huh? I like the sound of that!"
And Exiled13 if your intention was to talk about the quality of Hogue and learn about other nice knives, why post in the Buck forum saying how you'll never buy anything but Buck ever again?
 
Well said, Parba....maybe you're making a point.

Although there may be a few obsequious and simpering fan-boys on this forum (and they do disgust me) most of us have both compliments and complaints about Buck Inc. and we are not shy about expressing either.

(How will Buck know, after all, if we are too timid to tell them when they are playing the emperor walking naked through the crowd?)

I'm just getting rid of all knives except Buck due to my own personal and complicated feelings about the world of today and I don't recommend that policy to others. It's just me.

To each his own, I say (even the fan-boys......bless their loyal, annoying and cloying little hearts).

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parbajtor said:
Those are all pretty good reasons to make the statement "I won't buy another non-Buck knife again". At least they're reasons and you're making a point, ok, the statement about every kind of knife anyone could possibly need is arguable (all you other production manufacturers and customs guys may as well give up now, Buck does it all), but they're valid reasons.
Everyone has, and is entitled to, an opinion. When publicly announcing that opinion, it's customary to back it up with your reason(s) for that opinion, generally because you're asking for agreement with that opinion or your looking to test those reasons for validity. Otherwise it's just graffitti or fan-boy advertising. I would value the opinion of someone I know personally and respect, but would probably still ask them to give their reasons for that opinion, when reading the opinions of someone I don't know, then I expect the reasoning to accompany that opinion. If the OP had said that he had a drawerful of knives, all kinds of brands and then made the statement, I'd say "OK" but also question whether he was about to sell/trade all those other brands for Buck or maybe just replace them with Buck if they were lost/stolen/irrepairably broken. Either way, if those are not his intentions, then the statement isn't true and the OP is effectively Trolling (most likely unintentionally) and wrapping it in the flag to hide the fact.

BTW. SCUBA could not have come from Scooby-Doo because the acronym preceded the cartoon by some 30 years. This is not quite as big a time difference as the use of the word Csar/Czar/Tsar/Tzar, but do you really expect anyone to believe that the Marketing Department didn't consider how the acronym/abbreviation would be used before they chose that sequence and combination? They could have called it T-Racs, Carts, starc, etc. or picked other synonyms to make different acronyms, but to think that the acronym wasn't considered stretches credulity. "Hmmn, The Emperor Knife, huh? I like the sound of that!"
And Exiled13 if your intention was to talk about the quality of Hogue and learn about other nice knives, why post in the Buck forum saying how you'll never buy anything but Buck ever again?
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So your problem was because I made my statement in the Buck forum. Hmmm interesting. Why did I post in the Buck forum? Well in this matter here at this time I valued Buck customer's and hater's opinions. Unlike some people my opinions is just that. I can discuss them and they can even be changed. Why the Buck forum? I looked for a Hogue section and didnt see one. 2 knife companies in question only one on the board. Simple math to me. I didnt ask for agreement. I made a point blank statement. To be a fan-boy I would have to put down other knife companies. I know nobody could take what I said putting down anybody. So by your statement your saying that I cant prefure a folder over a fixed knife because its arguementive that its better than a fixed blade. Even if I say a fixed blade is a very capable knife. Thats just not so. I guess you dont understand I can like or dislike anybody I want.
My statement was very clear I'm not buying another non-Buck again. Do you take that If you where to give me an Emerson I would throw it back at you? No I wouldn't. Matter of fact I would thank you and even carry it for as long as I could stand it. If it turned out to be my EDC thats great. My whole statement is Ive been off the reservation and didnt find what I didnt have at home. By your statements I get the feeling you think I have to travel even further continue to search. When is it aight to just say enough money spent in travel I've seen enough I'm going home? To be trolling would I not be putting down Buck? Just maybe?
Thats just the thing. I even said it. It never accured to be that anybody pronounces csar-t. Here again your setting the rules. Your saying What BUck could Have called the knife. Only problem is non of your suggestions is combat, search and rescue tool. and that is what Buck wanted to call it. I'm sorry they didnt ask you 1st. Not my fault.
You continue to think I'm want you to share my opinion. I'm not. I stated matter of fact what it was. Anyway Ive committed enough of my life to this. I still dont see your point. So let me end this by saying "aight your right I'm wrong."
 
parbajtor said:
and right there we have the shortcomings of democracy. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, it's your opinion and should be valued just as much as anyone else's. No insult intended to exiled13, it's just he's illustrated the point I'm trying to make. If I wandered around asserting the 'fact' that the sky is yellow and the sea is pink, should people take my assertions, seriously? What about if I can get 30,000 people to sign a petition agreeing with me? What about if I can get more than half the country to agree with me? When does my (ridiculous) theory ever become the truth? You must have seen people in crowds, when has their collective intellect ever exceeded that of the stupidest member amongst them? To me, the more people agree with a statement, the less I'm inclined to believe its veracity.
To return to the topic, though. You don't like the csar because the steel isn't American? Forget about demand and pricing or performance issues, Although you have already stated that there's no difference performance -wise in the Steels, so it must be a pricing/availability issue. Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is and accept a price hike? Or are you just grumbling because the world is bigger than your local fishpond?
BTW. You better sit down for this one, you do know that the name of the knife is Russian :eek: and derives from Latin :eek::eek:?
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There is a huge difference between wanting to purchase items the way you want to purchase them and attempting to convince people of things that are false. He is not trying to convince people that ats34 is inferior, he would just feel better about buying the knife if the blade was cut from U.S. made steel. If you want to discuss political shortcomings, pay for a membership and take it to the politics forum. This thread has nothing to do with anything that you have mentioned. There is no incorrect when it comes to purchasing decisions; if there were, then we wouldn't have the nearly endless amount of brands to choose from.
 
Too many people don't recognize what actual trolling is. Trolling involves a statement, picture, question, etc. with the specific intent of illiciting reactionary responses; specifically negative reactionary responses. The OP in this situation is simply stating his thoughts on Buck. You can rarely argue subjectives. Homans claims we are all just as simple as pigeons when it comes to conditioning. The difference between us and pigeons, I think, is the complexity of our desired reward. What's enjoyable to one person may not be enjoyable to another. Also, the desired outcome may be unknown even to the subject. If I were to claim that a good reward is a large nail being driven into my toe, because it is enjoyable to me. No amount of argumentation could convince me otherwise. Also, I would wager no amount of evidence, if any could even be produced, would prove to you the enjoyment of having a nail driven into your foot. If the OP was to have said, ats34 is inferior to 154cm because it is manufactured in Japan, then he would need evidence because it is an attempt to convince people of something he believes to be fact. I will say that he is speaking hastily since he has probably not tried every knife ever made. If he is okay with being narrowminded-not meant to be offensive-then that is his prerogative. My opinion: spend your money on what you want.
 
Murdamook, both post where very well said. I wish I could have put those words together. I'm just awful with words.
What you said about being narrow minded is so true. Yes I am being narrow minded and no I haven't tried every knife. I have to wonder though. Is considering a knife but finding another knife better suited anyway near like trying it out? I.E the past 2 days I've been considering an Emerson. My wife and have a child on the way our 4th. When we found out she was pregnant we decided on the name Emerson whither is was boy or girl. Just kinda got that over with. We then found out it'll be a boy. So looking for a new knife and after starting this thread the idea of a knife with the same name came to me. So for 2 days I've watched a ton of reviews on Emerson. Some things of Emersons impress me. Then I decided I might not give 50 to $100 for the wave and thumb disc. What I mean is when I broke the knife down that was the only things not on a buck I would buy. My bravo has the same G10 scales, blade steel, and over all fit and finish. Just matter of fact there's a lot of people that's displeased with the fit and finish with their Emersons. The Emerson even the cqv 16 is still lighter than my Bravo. I like 7ozs and heavier EDCs. Under 7ozs and there hard to work with, with gloves on. No I haven't owned, borrowed, or even held an Emerson but I strongly considered it. Does this count? Honestly I would say not. Its not uncommon for something once in hand over whelm all personal standards. The difference in cost at the moment isn't a gap I'm willing to cross to find out. Material and quality wise the extra money just isn't there for me.
 
All I wanted were reasons for saying "I'll never buy another non Buck knife again" apart from "I tried a Hoque, it was well made but didn't suit me".
Some of the questions being begged by that statement have been answered, such as "have you tried other brands, so you have a comparison?".
I never said you were right or wrong to have that opinion I just wanted your reasons for forming it. You never asked for "feedback" and it was not implicit within the statement that that was your intent. I quite like Buck and the ones I've seen have been well made. They're expensive in the UK because of import duty etc. so the "Value for money" thing is skewed and probably explains why I don't own one. I understand (better) your thing with words and I'm sorry you couldn't see my point even though I've tried to make it 3 times. I apologise if you found my attempts at humour (Russian emperors aside) to be some kind of attack on you personally, that wasn't the intention. I was trying to avoid being attacked and labelled as "un-american" for daring to suggest that the country of origin might not have anything to do with the performance of the steel or the validity of an argument. A fuller description of what constitutes an argument (and my useage of the term) can be found here http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/argument.htm about halfway down.

I could write a list of my likes and dislikes, but what interest would they be to other people without my reasons? I don't care how you spend your money or what you like. I'd like to know the reasons behind your likes/dislikes because that information might be useful to me when considering my own future purchases.
The references to trolling were conditional "if...then..." and based on what you wrote and to be a "fanboy" you merely have to assert that a particular brand/maker is the best without giving any reasons, whether you denigrate other brands/makers is immaterial.

PS. I would have got away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids.
 
parbajtor said:
All I wanted were reasons for saying "I'll never buy another non Buck knife again" apart from "I tried a Hoque, it was well made but didn't suit me".
Some of the questions being begged by that statement have been answered, such as "have you tried other brands, so you have a comparison?".
I never said you were right or wrong to have that opinion I just wanted your reasons for forming it. You never asked for "feedback" and it was not implicit within the statement that that was your intent. I quite like Buck and the ones I've seen have been well made. They're expensive in the UK because of import duty etc. so the "Value for money" thing is skewed and probably explains why I don't own one. I understand (better) your thing with words and I'm sorry you couldn't see my point even though I've tried to make it 3 times. I apologise if you found my attempts at humour (Russian emperors aside) to be some kind of attack on you personally, that wasn't the intention. I was trying to avoid being attacked and labelled as "un-american" for daring to suggest that the country of origin might not have anything to do with the performance of the steel or the validity of an argument. A fuller description of what constitutes an argument (and my useage of the term) can be found here http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/argument.htm about halfway down.

I could write a list of my likes and dislikes, but what interest would they be to other people without my reasons? I don't care how you spend your money or what you like. I'd like to know the reasons behind your likes/dislikes because that information might be useful to me when considering my own future purchases.
The references to trolling were conditional "if...then..." and based on what you wrote and to be a "fanboy" you merely have to assert that a particular brand/maker is the best without giving any reasons, whether you denigrate other brands/makers is immaterial.

PS. I would have got away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids.
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No harm no fail. See that's the thing I didn't say that Buck was the best. Why I'll stay w/ Buck has been outlined by myself and others. To clear it up for you Buck knives has the value of the higher priced brands. How do I say that? Well I found a website that test knives. They have videos on youtube. I'm sorry they say they testing knives but they are really torturing em. Noss4 for 50 minutes abuses a Buck nighthawk knife. He tells he picked it up for $50 at walmart. The Buck finally breaks. FINALLY. All the knifes in the Buck price range don't survive long in the brutal abuse this guy puts them through. Knifes $100 more than the Buck does compareable. We see D2 and S30V steel blades break their tips when he stabbs sheet metal. The Buck took over 150 stabbs into sheet metal and never broke its tip. It took driving it like a nail into concert paver to finally break it. For compairson. The D2 and S30V knifes broke their tips in 20 or less stabs. In the end he destroyes all of em. Look what Buck did with 420hc steel to function at such a high level. So my question is why would I pay more? When in fact I really like Buck. That's why I buy it and test show that theirs no other company out performing Buck. If you watch reviews on youtube you see guys complain about fit and finish about Emerson and the other limited avaible high priced products. So Buck is doing pretty good w/ its mass produced units.
I don't know if these are legit reasons for my statement. They are for me though.
 
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