ID Needed: Can yall help me with these markings!

[ndoghouse]

No not Kami markings! What'd yall expect from ndog
I have a new member in the pack and its a girl dog! Starting from scratch I think she looks like Staffordshire terrier. Yep another terror! Like one Jack Russell aint enough. Shes a rescue dog I got literally on the way to the pound. Her name is Ila now. She is a sweetheart and seems to be permanently attached to my new blackmouth cur dog. They play together very well. She gets along with the Dogo well but they dont play as much.

She weighs 46 pounds and aint afraid of nuthin. We had to take her to the vet yesterday because she had a tiff with the Dogo over a french fry. Three or four staples to close up a hole in her throat and shes just fine.

She has that Weimeramer pretty grey mask but looks kind of brown in the photo. The owner didnt know what she was. She was kept in a cage most of the time. I hate them cages but we put it in the living room with the door open for her just to adjust to the other dogs and she does use it on occasion.

Everything is pretty much back to normal again. At least for now.

 

[Moonw]

I am not a fan of guessing because recessive genes can throw in a wrench in the process , but the head looks a little bit pittish. (Of course, Staffies were the original pit bulls, just look at J. P. Colby's dogs.)

And of course, many people don't want to hear that their dogs did not necessarily come out of two pure-breds, but out of 5 generations of mixed dogs , at least around here.

That being said, I would not find it too far off if one of the "blue pits" (themselves mixed) had some fun with some kind of hunting dog (e.g. Pointer).

Keep a close eye on them . As I was saying, I have a dog boarding, and today I had 3 of our malamutes playing with a Westie and a Beagle. The last two get along fine with a Labrador and a Dobie female.

 

[Moonw]

And don't they all look like angels sleeping? Haha! She is pretty, enjoy her .

 

[ndoghouse]

Ha! I will moon! She really is a sweet dog. Ive had a few Pitbulls and they are amongst the sweetest dogs of all breeds. They are good natured, good with kids, and just loyal good companions. I wont even get into the media hype over them. Im aware of the staffie/mastiff and most of the breeds that make up the pit and nothing wrong with any of them. She is smaller than most pits so im thinking Patterdale or Staffordshire but who knows.
The lady that had to give up this dog had a daughter that moved back home with momma. Momma's apartment lease wouldnt allow it so the dog had to go. Personally id have thrown out the daughter and her lazy thug boyfriend. Lazy bums they were. My daughter knows them all and she told me the whole story so thats how I was able to intercept them. They were bringing her to the pound that day so we told her to drop her off here instead of the pound. Another pit saved! Its a good day:thumbup:

 

[Dobe_1]

It is hard to say. If pressed, I'd have to go with Moonw - pointer, if for no other reason than elongation of the torso, and the coat.

But, as was also mentioned, genotype doesn't always equate to phenotype. How's her hearing (white fur)?


Good looking clan of dogs. It's always nice to be around dog people.

Also, if you get a chance, would you post a picture of that Dogo?

 

[Moonw]

Ha! I will moon! She really is a sweet dog. Ive had a few Pitbulls and they are amongst the sweetest dogs of all breeds. They are good natured, good with kids, and just loyal good companions. I wont even get into the media hype over them. Im aware of the staffie/mastiff and most of the breeds that make up the pit and nothing wrong with any of them. She is smaller than most pits so im thinking Patterdale or Staffordshire but who knows.
The lady that had to give up this dog had a daughter that moved back home with momma. Momma's apartment lease wouldnt allow it so the dog had to go. Personally id have thrown out the daughter and her lazy thug boyfriend. Lazy bums they were. My daughter knows them all and she told me the whole story so thats how I was able to intercept them. They were bringing her to the pound that day so we told her to drop her off here instead of the pound. Another pit saved! Its a good day:thumbup:

I love pit bulls in responsible ownership as well. Witch hunt, when there shouldn't be one.

Sad story...but glad it ended well.

P.S. When I was mentioning about blue pits being mixed, I meant a more recent cross.

 

[Moonw]

It is hard to say. If pressed, I'd have to go with Moonw - pointer, if for no other reason than elongation of the torso, and the coat.

But, as was also mentioned, genotype doesn't always equate to phenotype. How's her hearing (white fur)?


Good looking clan of dogs. It's always nice to be around dog people.

Also, if you get a chance, would you post a picture of that Dogo?

That happens mostly with full-white dogs. Even then, it can be unilateral. You may well be acquainted with the BAER test which IMHO should be standard for bull terriers, dogos.

My first dog was a dogo. Too good of a dog, for a novice. Gone away too soon. Wasn't my fault, but still kick myself over it.

At that time, I was a dogo encyclopedia. I still have a soft spot for them. They also taught me about how close-minded and blinded, people can be. I think that was the time when I got a strong resentment against hype without substance.

If you are looking for dog people, Gurkha Berserka is another one. We got in a long quarrel regarding the history of mastiffs before you started visiting I think.

 

[Dobe_1]

Yea, I know the feeling of loosing a great friend. Just a word on deafness linked to pigmentation, there are about 85 breeds associated with autosomal deafness.

We are dealing with (my daughter's dog) a German Short Haired mix, which is totally deaf.

Dalmatians are well known for having this problem. I'm a big Dobe fan, note the monicker. They have such health problems that I don't know if I can go through the loss again. Most breeds have their problems. Once the stud book closes, the genetic problems generally begin.

 

[ndoghouse]

My mailman is a Dogo Argentina nut and im going on what he told me he is. Nothing is set in stone with my mutts except they are good mutts. Not so sure about Jack Russells yet but im giving him more time to proove himself. He turns 16 next year so maybe he will redeem himself. Just kidding of course Like they say. You dont always get the dog you want but you get the dog you need! His character makes up for his terror!

This was a pic of him about a year ago. He is a hunter. This was his first rabbit. Many more to follow as well as a ten point buck. Ignore the bald headed dude. Somebody had to hold the rabbit up.

He has a curved spine kinda like my Samsher and Yek Chirra. Not a good as Bookies but he has one

Here is a more recent picture reflecting his true character.

 

[Moonw]

I will confess that I am not brave enough to deal with a deaf dog. Must be very challenging.

Today, my 13 going to 14 old malamute barely could use the 4 stairs we have. Inspite of everything I am giving him to ease his life, those joints are just too old. (He was also a once-in-a-lifetime dog; the closest analogy I could draw is that he was so e kind of Fedor Emelianenko , as far as character goes; friendly, but don't touch my wife with a finger, or the friendliest dog in the neighborhood would (literally) do his best to chew your face off - not very typical for the breed, though .) he had testicular cancer later in life and was neutered. I am afraid soon it will come his time to leave. I will cry again like a child, I know it.

Other than that, he didn't visit a vet, ever, for anything serious.

I am not so sure about the closing of the books being the reason for many issues. I think it has more to do than I'd even like to admit with the breeders. I've lost years of work and tons of money, but I eliminated from the gene pool what needed to be eliminated. I don't want to pass issues for others to deal with them. But more people should think like that, and crunch down on "awesome producers".

Anyway, I think that is one of the reasons the Donermann I knew as a child is most likely gone forever. Truth be told, today's society is dumber, and such a dog is a challenge.

I wold rather get a Beauceron first.

 

[Dobe_1]

My mailman is a Dogo Argentina nut and im going on what he told me he is. Nothing is set in stone with my mutts except they are good mutts. Not so sure about Jack Russells yet but im giving him more time to proove himself. He turns 16 next year so maybe he will redeem himself. Just kidding of course Like they say. You dont always get the dog you want but you get the dog you need! His character makes up for his terror!

This was a pic of him about a year ago. He is a hunter. This was his first rabbit. Many more to follow as well as a ten point buck. Ignore the bald headed dude. Somebody had to hold the rabbit up.

He has a curved spine kinda like my Samsher and Yek Chirra. Not a good as Bookies but he has one

Here is a more recent picture reflecting his true character.

Absolutely drop dead gorgeous. I've read a little about them, but know little about the breed.

 

[Moonw]

And as you were saying, the mixed dog is deaf - this is the best example why open stud books are not he best idea, and not the cure for everything. One issue I ran into, I think I can thank some old farts during the Gold Rush in Alaska, and the out crosses they did back then.

I'd gladly talk more on the subject in general, but I would hijack the thread even more; besides, it's late for me and I should go to bed. Nice talking to ya, for sure!

 

[Moonw]

One more thing. If you want any "insider info" on dogos, feel free to open a new thread and I will oblige as soon as I have some time.

Trivia: mine's first live, deserved, and only bite, was when she was 5 months old. Receiver thought she was a pit, while she was barely changing teeth but was big enough. Cropped ears made that pup scary . Thug decided letting my little brother alone was the best idea.

 

[davidf99]

I'd say she's a pit bull or pit bull mix. Not so much Staffordshire. The Staffs tend to be chunky and more short-legged in recent years (or decades), whereas real pit bulls tend to be more athletic. Like the difference between a weightlifter and an MMA fighter. I think that's because the breeders in the big organizations (like AKC) bred for how they think a fighting dog should look, whereas the old time pit bull breeders were going for a "performance" dog. For example a real hunting dog might have a nondescript look and coloration, versus a show-dog of the same breed looks perfect but might not have much of a nose.

There are many exceptions, of course. Some pit bulls have the barrel chest and relatively short legs. They all tend to very athletic: good jumpers, and some pitbulls can climb trees if the trunk is narrow enough that they can get a grip with the front legs. A lot of what distinguishes a pit bull from other breeds of similar size is in the mind. They are almost universally friendly toward humans and they display extreme determination at whatever they do, including relatively innocuous things like digging. One day I noticed my pit starting to dig next to my house in the back yard. I thought nothing of it, but the next day I had to fill in the hole and cover it with heavy rocks because she had gone deep enough to almost get under the foundation. And this is very stony soil, hard to dig with a shovel.

 

[ndoghouse]

Hes a pussycat but when it comes to protection and hunting he is more than capable of complete dismemberment. I had a few Huskies at one time. They are great dogs. They loved the water. They had to be put to sleep for the same reason. They couldnt even walk to go to the bathroom anymore. One I think had a stroke in the night and passed and the other brother i had to have put down. They lived a full happy life.
I met a guy at the lake one time with a blue healer that was completely blind. You wouldnt know it except for the way he moved. When Id walk to the waters edge across the jagged rocks he would stop when no one was talking. I eventually figured out what he was doing to navigate. When there was sound he would use it to read the rocks shapes and such and he would walk normally. When it got quiet he had to stop because he had no mental picture of the surface he was walking on. He was using echo location. Truely amazing to watch him hop across a foot gap in the rocks to get to the water. He loved to swim.

Hijack away man! This was my thread anyway right. yep. no problem.

 

[Dobe_1]

One more thing. If you want any "insider info" on dogos, feel free to open a new thread and I will oblige as soon as I have some time.

Trivia: mine's first live, deserved, and only bite, was when she was 5 months old. Receiver thought she was a pit, while she was barely changing teeth but was big enough. Cropped ears made that pup scary . Thug decided letting my little brother alone was the best idea.

Sounds like a well deserved bite.

 

[Dobe_1]

Sorry for the hijack. That was rude of me.

 

[ndoghouse]

Sorry for the hijack. That was rude of me.

no problem Dobe. i didnt see it as that at all. All dog talk welcome here anytime.

 

[Dobe_1]

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[snowwolf]

Here is a more recent picture reflecting his true character.

Holly molly! That's something you get with an energetic dog that hasn't exercise enough. Overcharged batteries and nothing to do can lead to destruction.

That picture also tells me another story. Just the fact that the dog is calm while you are taking that picture means it knows it will not sleep in the doghouse or take a beating for it. Which is good, because overcharged batteries is not dog's fault

My high voltage hunting partner (Appenzell mountain dog) - You don't want her alone and bored in the house.