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Idaho Tang Stamp
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Thanks Bob W --
That was the first time I'd attached a photo to a posting, so I wanted to try it out to find out how it works. Before I'd always linked to images rather than attaching them directly to a post, so I wanted to find out how it worked. I was just lucky that I had a picture of something timely to post.
GeoThorn
That was the first time I'd attached a photo to a posting, so I wanted to try it out to find out how it works. Before I'd always linked to images rather than attaching them directly to a post, so I wanted to find out how it worked. I was just lucky that I had a picture of something timely to post.
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Great picture! Buck is located in the very top, skinny part of the state. Just look for the part that is covered with snow.
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geothorn said:I think that Buck Knives will be glad to hear that at least one person reading the Buck Knives Forum is looking forward to the "Taiwan" and "China" Buck Knives.
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ugh ... humm.. i dont think he quite ment it like that thorn...
or did i miss something here... :footinmou
Sorry, 334dave, I was being sarcastic.
Between the 'Buck!!! What were you thinking?' thread ( http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266375 ) and the 'Will Buck Knives collectors also collect the "Taiwan" and "China" Bucks?' thread ( http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326724 ) I haven't seen too many people really happy about the production and importation of Buck Knives from overseas.
The forum members have been talking about why and how Buck Knives started production in China and Taiwan, but we haven't heard too much from Buck Knives about it, or their reaction to the way that so many Buck Knives buyers and collectors are reacting to the imported Buck Knives. Maybe Buck isn't relying on the Chinese and Taiwanese models selling all that well, but, if they aren't, then it's a losing proposition to be producing Buck Knives overseas.
I would prefer that all Buck Knives could be manufactured and produced in the U.S.A. I haven't heard specifically from Buck about it, but I think that Buck would prefer all U.S.A. production, as well. However, since I'm just a buyer and user of Buck Knives, that doesn't entitle me to know all of the "behind the scenes" stuff at Buck. If the only way that Buck Knives can stay in business means that they have to produce a few lines overseas, then I'd prefer that, rather than Buck having to go the way of Schrade.
I hope that ABN doesn't want Buck Knives to move everything over to China or Taiwan, but, making a few knife designs overseas doesn't mean that Buck isn't mostly a "Made in the U.S.A." company. Just not 100%.
GeoThorn
Between the 'Buck!!! What were you thinking?' thread ( http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266375 ) and the 'Will Buck Knives collectors also collect the "Taiwan" and "China" Bucks?' thread ( http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326724 ) I haven't seen too many people really happy about the production and importation of Buck Knives from overseas.
The forum members have been talking about why and how Buck Knives started production in China and Taiwan, but we haven't heard too much from Buck Knives about it, or their reaction to the way that so many Buck Knives buyers and collectors are reacting to the imported Buck Knives. Maybe Buck isn't relying on the Chinese and Taiwanese models selling all that well, but, if they aren't, then it's a losing proposition to be producing Buck Knives overseas.
I would prefer that all Buck Knives could be manufactured and produced in the U.S.A. I haven't heard specifically from Buck about it, but I think that Buck would prefer all U.S.A. production, as well. However, since I'm just a buyer and user of Buck Knives, that doesn't entitle me to know all of the "behind the scenes" stuff at Buck. If the only way that Buck Knives can stay in business means that they have to produce a few lines overseas, then I'd prefer that, rather than Buck having to go the way of Schrade.
I hope that ABN doesn't want Buck Knives to move everything over to China or Taiwan, but, making a few knife designs overseas doesn't mean that Buck isn't mostly a "Made in the U.S.A." company. Just not 100%.
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geothorn said:
I guess you put me in my place.
I responded in both of those threads with Buck's position, albeit tainted with some of my own opinions on the subject. You are correct that producing those lines of knives "over there" allows us to keep going and producing a lot more of our product line here. Our sales of the overseas knives are good, that is why we are still there on some products. I feel I am somewhat representative of the average collector and I just don't pay much attention to a Buck if we did not make it in the US. I think most collectors are the same way. But then, most of these knives tend to fall into the "user" category anyways and if sales are any indication, we have a lot of users out there.
I also believe that the comments on the subject found here do not represent the general population as a whole. Lets face it, most of us visit Blade Forums because we are a little more passionate about our knives than a lot of folks. Our sales of the overseas knives bears testiment to all of this.
Please don't take this to mean that the opinions given here by forum members are somehow not important or ignored. You would not believe the discussions these threads cause around the board room. We have made major decisions based largely on the feedback gleened from these threads.
Anyhow, now you have heard from Buck again on the subject, sorry if I rambled or offended, that was not the intention and I hope you know that.
Sorry Joe, I really wasn't trying to put you in your place.
You're right, BladeForums has more of the enthusiastic Buck Knives owners/collectors coming to read and reply, rather than all Buck owners, so it would follow that the people responding to these threads have more of an emotional involvement/commitment to Buck Knives than just "run-of-the-mill" users. In my opinion we really haven't heard everything going-on in the heads of those people that are totally against overseas Bucks.
Maybe some would have preferred that Buck Knives had just closed it's doors, rather than move some production lines overseas, because they think that the value of the Bucks that they own, "Made in the U.S.A.," would have started immediately increasing? Conversely, because Buck started producing knives overseas, maybe collectors are worried that the value of their "Made in the U.S.A." Bucks are dropping *because* of the expansion of Buck Knives into China and Taiwan?
No matter how strongly some people have reacted to the "Taiwan" and "China" Buck Knives in the BladeForums, so far none have said that they would prefer that Buck had closed-down rather than moving some production overseas. What I take from that is that some Buck Knives buyers and collectors are having a hard time accepting the "China" and "Taiwan" Buck Knives, but, overall, they are grudgingly starting the process of acceptance. They don't want Buck Knives to close, but they weren't expecting Buck Knives to start production in Taiwan and China in order to remain in business.
To some, "Made in the U.S.A." Buck Knives are the only kind that exist, and there might also be people out there that believe that the Model A Ford was the last truly "Made in America" car. Change is a part of life, even though lots of people have trouble dealing with all of the changes.
GeoThorn
You're right, BladeForums has more of the enthusiastic Buck Knives owners/collectors coming to read and reply, rather than all Buck owners, so it would follow that the people responding to these threads have more of an emotional involvement/commitment to Buck Knives than just "run-of-the-mill" users. In my opinion we really haven't heard everything going-on in the heads of those people that are totally against overseas Bucks.
Maybe some would have preferred that Buck Knives had just closed it's doors, rather than move some production lines overseas, because they think that the value of the Bucks that they own, "Made in the U.S.A.," would have started immediately increasing? Conversely, because Buck started producing knives overseas, maybe collectors are worried that the value of their "Made in the U.S.A." Bucks are dropping *because* of the expansion of Buck Knives into China and Taiwan?
No matter how strongly some people have reacted to the "Taiwan" and "China" Buck Knives in the BladeForums, so far none have said that they would prefer that Buck had closed-down rather than moving some production overseas. What I take from that is that some Buck Knives buyers and collectors are having a hard time accepting the "China" and "Taiwan" Buck Knives, but, overall, they are grudgingly starting the process of acceptance. They don't want Buck Knives to close, but they weren't expecting Buck Knives to start production in Taiwan and China in order to remain in business.
To some, "Made in the U.S.A." Buck Knives are the only kind that exist, and there might also be people out there that believe that the Model A Ford was the last truly "Made in America" car. Change is a part of life, even though lots of people have trouble dealing with all of the changes.
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I have to say, I will pay a little more for almost anything that I know is made in the USA as long as the quality is there. I can't say what the reason is other than it makes me feel good on a basic level. Having said that, I have no qualms about buying from some other country if a product's quality isn't there, which is why I'm not driving an American car. 
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Speaking of things made in China...
I am sitting in a brand new leather office chair I bought at Wally World the other day. Paid all of fifty dollars for it. I had a weak moment and bought it, even though it was made in China, because it was cheap and the old steel thin cushion waiting room type chair I was using at my 'puter was hurting my butt. The chair looked cheap while putting it together but once assembled it looks pretty good. Fairly comfortable. But it stinks.
Literally. It smells. Really bad. Also, if I lean back it goes all the way down to its lowest height setting. :grumpy: Oh well. I guess it serves me right. When I replace it I intend to see if I can't find an American made chair somewhere.
To keep this about Buck knives, I only buy American made Buck knives. Always have. Always will.
Good luck on the operations in Idaho. Looking forward to getting a Buck with the Idaho tang stamp.
James
I am sitting in a brand new leather office chair I bought at Wally World the other day. Paid all of fifty dollars for it. I had a weak moment and bought it, even though it was made in China, because it was cheap and the old steel thin cushion waiting room type chair I was using at my 'puter was hurting my butt. The chair looked cheap while putting it together but once assembled it looks pretty good. Fairly comfortable. But it stinks.
Literally. It smells. Really bad. Also, if I lean back it goes all the way down to its lowest height setting. :grumpy: Oh well. I guess it serves me right. When I replace it I intend to see if I can't find an American made chair somewhere. To keep this about Buck knives, I only buy American made Buck knives. Always have. Always will.
Good luck on the operations in Idaho. Looking forward to getting a Buck with the Idaho tang stamp.
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Yes, I had the same questions!!! Bluntly they are
Is there production going on at both plants at the same time and on what models at what plants?
Is there any co-production going on at both plants at the same time and on what models? ie: say a 110 at both plants..
Were any of the blades made in Idaho with the 2004 mark?
Were any of the blades with the Idaho stamp made in cal?
(This, a real burning question and if so which ones? I think these would be very collectable!)
Is the Idaho stamp appearing on all blades of all models?
Is the Idaho stamp appearing on the overseas knives also?!
On the transition 110 with both stamps on it= location of blade manufacture for both blades and were was the knife assembled?
Again I wish to congratulate Buck Knife making the return to Idaho ugh..Hoyt did live and make knives there before, right? Btw: how far are you all from the old home site?
on the other from the other thread- I have lost more bucks then I have owned other knives and did not like it at all when I bought a buck and found it had tywain on it! I truly wish that buck had restricted the sales of overseas made knives to overseas. opther wise i am with geothorn, whom realy, i WAS only teasing!, (hee hee...i cant help being a troll).
I still find a lot of meaning in what was said before by Hoyt's son:
We were the laughing stock of the industry, competitors were taking bets on how long we'd last.... We were convinced that people would pay additional money to get additional quality. Eventually, that proved to be true."-Al Buck
some were down the line their competitors stopped laughing and paid up on their bets....
nuff said.
Is there production going on at both plants at the same time and on what models at what plants?
Is there any co-production going on at both plants at the same time and on what models? ie: say a 110 at both plants..
Were any of the blades made in Idaho with the 2004 mark?
Were any of the blades with the Idaho stamp made in cal?
(This, a real burning question and if so which ones? I think these would be very collectable!)
Is the Idaho stamp appearing on all blades of all models?
Is the Idaho stamp appearing on the overseas knives also?!
On the transition 110 with both stamps on it= location of blade manufacture for both blades and were was the knife assembled?
Again I wish to congratulate Buck Knife making the return to Idaho ugh..Hoyt did live and make knives there before, right? Btw: how far are you all from the old home site?
on the other from the other thread- I have lost more bucks then I have owned other knives and did not like it at all when I bought a buck and found it had tywain on it! I truly wish that buck had restricted the sales of overseas made knives to overseas. opther wise i am with geothorn, whom realy, i WAS only teasing!, (hee hee...i cant help being a troll).
I still find a lot of meaning in what was said before by Hoyt's son:
We were the laughing stock of the industry, competitors were taking bets on how long we'd last.... We were convinced that people would pay additional money to get additional quality. Eventually, that proved to be true."-Al Buck
some were down the line their competitors stopped laughing and paid up on their bets....
nuff said.
geothorn said:
That's from the "Buck 119 Special with upside down T date code??" thread, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328546
That's the only (unofficial) information I have. It seems to indicate that they were manufactured at El Cajon. The Idaho stamp might be a "transitional" stamp, maybe indicating the period of the move, the last half of 2004 and the first half of 2005?
GeoThorn
Also, the "Product Warranty Registration" sheets included with both still has the El Cajon Customer Service address printed on them.
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well geo i think we wate for joe for to clear things up again! man we make such a mess here not knowing and asking our questions!! 
BTW: hay geo what you think of the transuational 110/112? hay maby some one at buck can post some good picts of one? ( i hate to keep asking joe, he's worn out!)
man we make such a mess here not knowing and asking our questions!! BTW: hay geo what you think of the transuational 110/112? hay maby some one at buck can post some good picts of one? ( i hate to keep asking joe, he's worn out!)
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My goodness, what an inquisitive bunch!
Here comes a vague answer to your questions.
Some models with the Idaho stamp will have been made in Idaho and some down here in El Cajon. It is a transition thing and I have no way of knowing for sure which models were made where.
I do know that the new warrantee slip, with the Idaho address, will start showing up sometime in February.
I will feel a lot better when we have the entire Idaho facility up and churning out knives!
Right now i feel like we jumped off a cliff with the promise that there will be a saftey net built by the time we hit bottom.
Here comes a vague answer to your questions.
Some models with the Idaho stamp will have been made in Idaho and some down here in El Cajon. It is a transition thing and I have no way of knowing for sure which models were made where.
I do know that the new warrantee slip, with the Idaho address, will start showing up sometime in February.
I will feel a lot better when we have the entire Idaho facility up and churning out knives!
Right now i feel like we jumped off a cliff with the promise that there will be a saftey net built by the time we hit bottom.
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Joe, I dont know about that! CJ simply said that there would be extra production to cover the transition so there should be no shortage of product.
It seems common sense to me that there would be no true new products until Idaho is open. Same with PCKS and warranty. When the store closed in November that seemed to me to be pretty much dun for the interim.
It seems common sense to me that there would be no true new products until Idaho is open. Same with PCKS and warranty. When the store closed in November that seemed to me to be pretty much dun for the interim.