Idea push : H1 Civilian

[Surfingringo]

I could be incorrect, but I thought serrated h1 was known for extreme edge holding capability, dude to the process used to grind the serrations.

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You are correct. Serrated H1 is significantly harder and performs completely differently from pe H1. There are numerous threads on here discussing the differences between serrated and pe H1. I have used both extensively and can attest to the difference. They almost perform as if they are two completely different steels.

 

[Surfingringo]

A little Matriarch may be possible?

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Sal, that is extremely exciting to me. I believe that if you guys made a se lil Matriarch Salt, it would be my most used folder on the water. As it is now, I typically carry a se Pacific Salt and a small fixed blade. The Tasman Salt does an excellent job at many of the tasks I perform out there like cutting line or netting and gutting or gill cutting fish. I rarely carry it though because it just isn't versatile enough. When I need to cut the tag end of some mono against the side wall or gunnel of my kayak, there's just no flat spot to press against the surface. I find myself trying to hold the knife at awkward angles to try to use the very tip against the edge of the surface. The lil Matriarch design gives me all the pull cutting advantages of a hawkbill while providing that nice bit of belly back by the heel that can be used for cutting against a flat surface. A small pe fixed blade and a se Lil Matriarch would be the perfect combo for me on the water.

I also think its a shame that the lil Matriarch design fell off the production list. I think it was one of the most under appreciated designs in the lineup. Under appreciated because it was seen by most as a purely SD tool. By the time a few of us were starting to figure out and talk about what a great EDC tool it was, it was getting cut from the lineup. I think it would be awesome to see it make a comeback, even if it was only in the Salt lineup.

 

[speedseeker]

I agree. I fell into the lil matriarch when I picked up the BBS combo. At the time, I happened to be moving into a new home and needing to remove quite a bit of carpeting. That lil just slipped right through that old carpet like it was butter. At the time I thought of it as only useful for pull cutting tasks like removing carpet, but that little belly that Gringo keeps referencing proved to be super useful in a number of ways. Lifting the tip a bit allowed me to slice through material with a pushing motion, and then if needed I could switch to a pulling motion to finish the job - I was surprised at how useful the little knife turned out to be...I do wonder how a serrated version might work given my task type as compared with gringo's - I tend to think of that little belly as something that allows for slicing into something to get the job started rather than the more ripping motion that serrations would create. If I'm thinking about slicing rather than ripping, this gives LoneStar's point some weight. Hey, how about multiple steels and multiple colors? That solves the problem...no?

 

[SaintZe]

H1 steel is used for its corrosion resistance, not its edge holding capabilities. V10 will hold its edge much better than H1 in any configuration because it has higher hardness and wear resistance. Most modern steels will because H1 is a softer steel due to not using carbon. H1 has its advantages, but edge holding is not one of them. Sharpen ability and yada yada yada. A little research goes a long way.

No one asks for an H1 blade because it outperforms VG10- they want it for the corrosion resistance. I own a Lil Matriarch and a Spyderco Saver Salt- the Matriarch has proved to be significantly more useful in and around water and (mild) acids, but I rarely use it because cleaning & maintaining it is such a pain. In comparison, the Saver Salt went weeks without cleaning, while covered in material that rusted through simple carbon steels.


Also, come to think of it, how would y'all feel about a combo edge matriarch? Serrated hawkbill, PE belly. Too ostentatious?

 

[ThePeacent]

+1 Gringo! And all the others who want it Little
Of all the models, from full size Matriarch to Civilian, I also think the Lil' one is the most convenient for this project. The tasman is much more used than the Spyderhawk in my job, so I guess that would apply for the Matriarch.

I'm totally in for one, if it ever is made real!
Sal, if you're listening...this would be a great one for may of us

Also, great job with the Jumpmaster, it fits my hand like a glove. Really, flat and thin, feels so nice in my hand. It is the meanest cutter of your current models, as Gringo said once.

Scary watermelon slicer for this Summer

 

[LoneStarNinja]

You are correct. Serrated H1 is significantly harder and performs completely differently from pe H1. There are numerous threads on here discussing the differences between serrated and pe H1. I have used both extensively and can attest to the difference. They almost perform as if they are two completely different steels.

I'd like to see serrated vg10 vs serrated h1. I doubt it would hold its edge better. Are you sure the preceived edge holding is from it being a serrated edge?

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[nlewman]

I'd like to see serrated vg10 vs serrated h1. I doubt it would hold its edge better. Are you sure the preceived edge holding is from it being a serrated edge?

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H1 is a work hardened material, it does not have a heat treat, iirc. So, yes, the serrated edge is the reason.

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[LoneStarNinja]

H1 is a work hardened material, it does not have a heat treat, iirc. So, yes, the serrated edge is the reason.

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So your saying a V plain edge wouldn't get work hardened when ground? Or just plain sharpened? I think you've been mislead. A serrated edge will hold longer than a plain edge, but Im not buying because it is work hardened.

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[Surfingringo]

I'd like to see serrated vg10 vs serrated h1. I doubt it would hold its edge better. Are you sure the preceived edge holding is from it being a serrated edge?

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Yes sir, I'm sure. I've used both extensively. I am talking about more than edge holding. I'm talking about edge stability too. Some folks around here speak about H1 as if it has mythical properties. It does not. It has completely different properties from pe H1 though and is harder, has more lateral strength and far better edge retention. They have different properties and they perform differently...I promise. By the way, I'm far from the first to come to this conclusion. Do a quick search. A little research goes a long way.

 

[bearfacedkiller]

A lil' matriarch salt in H1 would be a winner for me. Bring it on...

 

[nlewman]

So your saying a V plain edge wouldn't get work hardened when ground? Or just plain sharpened? I think you've been mislead. A serrated edge will hold longer than a plain edge, but Im not buying because it is work hardened.

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Like you yourself, and surfgringo said, a little research goes a long way. Even Mr. Glesser has said that h1 holds an edge much better in se, due to it being a work hardened steel. I'm sure he's done "a little research," and has not mislead me

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[The Deacon]

I'd like to see serrated vg10 vs serrated h1. I doubt it would hold its edge better. Are you sure the preceived edge holding is from it being a serrated edge?

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You can doubt all you want, but Sal Glesser has stated on numerous occasions that serrated H-1 holds an edge better than any other steel they've tested.

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