If Busse knives are so tough....

Originally posted by HUNTER3897:
I doubt I will ever need a non-magnetic knife to take care of mines that are floating on my lake. Everyone puts down stainless type knives as being beneath them and yet everyone seems to want a Seal knife. If you work on a fishing trawler or dive for lobster, maybe you need a Seal knife.
The rest of us would be served best by getting plain old carbon variety steel. I guess it's all about pretending to be a spec-op warrior running through the swamp fighting an enemy that never seems to be there. How many of you have EVER had to defend yourself with a knife? How many people do you know who have? Yeah, me neither.
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But...you can never be too prepared. We could be invaded tomorrow and Lake Michigan could be mined and I'd have to swim out there to whack on some of those mines with my knife (and maybe stick a knife in an enemy boat) and it's not nonmagnetic and I could blow up and I hate it when that happens so where can I get one of those nonmagnetic knifes that resist corrosion and is totally indestructable? And some flippers too, just in case.



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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
Hoodoo,
You may be right! The ice just broke up on my lake and now I am starting to see weird shaped things floating around that look like broken glass. Do you think it might be some new type of periscope?
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Take care, (AND a super secret agent non-magnetic chrome coated anti-reflective knife)

Jim
 
Cobalt, i don't buy a Battle Mistress and test it because i am a student, and i don't have the required $350 to buy one, even if i wasn't going to test it. I have never heard of one breaking, which i am pretty sure i could do, without using a clamp etc. Anyway, i meant it as a general challenge, not specific to Busse knives. I realise now that i probably posted it in the wrong place, i'll try not to next time.

James

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All knives are created equal, then i get my dirty big hands on them and the real fun begins.
 
Hello,

I made 10 SEAL knives once, and the Eskimos up around Alaska just loved them. Made them with Rounded TIPS so as not to Puncture the Pelts used for there Mukluks!!

lmao,,sorry i couldnt Resist!!

Allen
 
Originally posted by HUNTER3897:
I am always amazed at the hype and controversy surrounding "Seal" knives. Seals are highly specialized units that use there knives in ways that 99% of us never will.
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Hmmm, it's very interesting topic!
What unusual way SEALs are using their knives - to swallow them or what? The same fairy tales I sometimes can hear about knife use in Spetznaz. Twenty years ago I had an opportunity to learn somewhat the Spetznaz unit - from inside. And now I always say - the most common object Spetznaz or SEAL operators are storming with the knife in their hand is the canned food!
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Sergiurz,
You are probably correct. Perhaps I went too far with 99%. I should have said that the KNIVES are designed for things that most of us never do. Take the Mission Seal knife. It is non-magnetic, very corrosion resistent, and for most of us, it is too big for delicate work and not heavy enough for the big work. Some would say it is a jack of all trades. I would say it is not. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to rip on Mission or it's knives, they are great at what they were designed for. I can't help but think that most people would save a lot of money and be better served with the 5" version of the Ka-bar. If you like a medium size knife, get a Cold Steel Bush Ranger factory second. I use that knife quite a bit and for the price it can't be beat. Somehow I don't think the Seals get anywhere near as romantic about their knives as the general public does. From what I have read, most of them don't really care what they have for a knife. It's their training that makes them elite. They could probably kill you just as fast with the lid off the tuna can they just opened with their Mission, Maddog, Sog, etc...
(To use your example)

Take care,
Jim
 
Just to beat a dead horse, and to speak on a subject in which my opinion is worthless and based on zero personal knowledge or experience, I'll make the following comments:

I am totally in awe of the physical and mental capabilities of the men who are in the teams. I also think that their mystique has been used as a marketing ploy. Having the official SEAL watch or SEAL knife provides no more credibility to the user than having an official 1996 Olympic T-shirt makes one a world class athlete.

I suspect the primary role of a SEALs knife is that of a field tool anyway and not a weapon. After all, you don't want to bring a knife to a gunfight and if the badguys get that close, something has gone wrong. If you need to silently remove someone from the scene, use a silencer.

Utility, personal experience, and personal preference likely drive the individual SEALs knife choice, not government trials or clever ad copy. I'm sure Busse Knives would perfom very well for their needs, as well as Ka-Bars, SOGs, Al-Mar, etc...

Just the humble opinion of a DKWEED
(Desk Keyboard WEekEnd Dreamer)
 
Steelwolf, I had to laugh at your post describing the process of military equipment development and procurement! I laughed because I was one of those people you called "office bound, procurement and supply, logistics weenies." You couldn't be farther from the truth! I can certainly understand your myopic view of materiel acquisition because we did just exactly what you claim we didn't--we did ask the experts! The fact we didn't ask "you" should indicate something. I don't know where you served but I can tell you the units often called on to test new equipment were the 3d Bde, 7th ID (Light), 25th ID DIVARTY, 6th ID (Light,Arctic), 10th Mountain Division, 1st CAV Div, etc.

I can tell you that things got tested to death. Seemed like everytime something was ready to turn over to the contractor to produce, some general wanted it tested again. The Army has a whole test directorate for just this sort of thing. The first thing that is tested is all the off the shelf items. If they don't meet military requirements, a military specific item is developed. Part of the problem with $700 toilet seats is the requirements put on them by the user, not the procurer!

So Mr. Expert End User, how about you tell us what you did in the Army! Then I can tell you why we didn't ask you!

COL Bruce L. Woodbury

P.S. Steelwolf, I'm the guy who put the Tobasco in the MRE's. Try complaining about that! And what are you doing in Perth? Don't you know the Australians are going to close down Western Australia for lack of interest?
 
COL Woodbury,

On behalf of all the current and former "sticks" "legs" and "grunts" I would personally like to thank you for the Tabasco in the MRE's. You achieved the impossible my making the Pork Patty Type 1 Each edible.

Take care (and a biga$$ bottle of hotsauce)

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"To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target."
-Ashleigh Brilliant
 
JDS, your welcome! I even tested which hot sauce to put in (there were four alternatives) but I listened to the experts, the guys who actually ate MRE's for weeks at a time and they resoundingly cried "TOBASCO!" So that's what we put in.

By the way, Steelwolf, my apologies for jumping on you. It just hurts when people take shots at you when you've done your best under the rules, regulations, and leadership you are required to work under. I didn't meet anyone in Materiel Acquisition/Combat Developments who wasn't, or hadn't been a field soldier. In fact that is one of the requirements for product development. I know things seem strange when you aren't part of the game, but there just isn't a large organization of lazy, non-caring dolts out there trying to make it bad for the "real soldiers." So, again, my apologies, and let's all hoist a bottle of Tobasco in honor of all those who did their duty! Cheers.

Bruce Woodbury
 
well around here all the seals are monk seals, so i think they are the nonviolent type....and as for hitting your target.. to make sure you hit it call in the jets... and that big hole over there is where the target used to be....

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