If Ti framelocks are the best, then why not do them on Izula folder?

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agoutihead

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It's already been mentioned that the Izula folder will NOT be a Ti framelock, but something different.

But if Ti framelocks are the strongest/best, why do anything else?
 
No wait ive never seen that thread you linked to?!

Im reading it now.

Did I post this in the rig forum? I'm confused any more who's partnered with who and who's building what.

Does this belong in the ESEE forum?
 
agoutihead said:
No wait ive never seen that thread you linked to?!

Im reading it now.

Did I post this in the rig forum? I'm confused any more who's partnered with who and who's building what.

Does this belong in the ESEE forum?
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First off, yes this does belong in the ESEE forum considering the question is about an ESEE knife.

Secondly, the current ESEE folder being considered, a folding version of the ESEE-3, is a Ti frame lock design.

The size of the Izula...the length of the blade and therefore the length of the frame lock may be a consideration, or it could be that thoughts on the Izula folder design may change now...

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It was mentioned the the ESEE folding 3 would not be a ti framelock, not sure about the reason, but last I heard it was going to be a steel framelock.
 
We may need to include a navigation card for you to find the right forum to post in!
Moved ...
 
Out of curiosity what are the advantages of frame-locks? My interest has been piqued since I've decided that liner-locks are not for me.

God bless,
Adam
 
frame locks are generally stronger than liner locks due to more surface engagement.
either one can be disengaged if you put lateral pressure on the lock bar due to grip, using a right handed knife left handed, etc...
 
As was mentioned, frame-locks offer greater surface area along with a beefier build. Also there are less parts to concern yourself with and along with that fewer nooks and crannies for dirt to find it's way into.

I'm a lefty, a proud member of the superior minority, and I've never had an issue with a frame-lock closing on me under hard use, then again, I don't consider a folder as a "hard use" tool so my definition might vary.

All that said, my favorite lock is still a back-lock al la the Buck 110 or original Spyderco Manix. For me, that's the "best" lock.
 
D-D-D-DOUBLE POST!!!

Shotgunner, Just because you're wrong-handed doesn't mean you can double post. Thanks for the info on the frame-locks. BTW what is special about the lock-backs on the Buck110 and Original Spydy Manix?

God bless,
Adam

Edit: Shotgunner, You got owned by that phone!
 
Well, I can't argue specifics on the back-lock. I just grew up with them and they served me well. Never had a failure and are truely ambi.
 
jumpmonkey said:
D-D-D-DOUBLE POST!!!

Shotgunner, Just because you're wrong-handed doesn't mean you can double post. Thanks for the info on the frame-locks. BTW what is special about the lock-backs on the Buck110 and Original Spydy Manix?

God bless,
Adam

Edit: Shotgunner, You got owned by that phone!
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Supposedly the original Manix had the strongest lock of any Spyderco made (don't know how it compared to other brands). I owned one once and it was pretty stout but a bit big to carry around in a pocket as it pretty much eliminated the use of that pocket for anything else due to its size.

However, it was not as strong as the mechanism on the current Izula or Izula II:D
 
Personally, I don't see the problem with using a steel frame lock instead of titanium. Sure, titanium is lighter, but a lot more expensive. It's also harder to machine. Depending on the steel choice, perhaps the lock face on the lock bar could be hardened to a hardness close to that of the blade. That would reduce wear over a titanium lock, since titanium can't be hardened as much as some steels. Those are just my thoughts!
 
dl351 said:
Personally, I don't see the problem with using a steel frame lock instead of titanium. Sure, titanium is lighter, but a lot more expensive. It's also harder to machine. Depending on the steel choice, perhaps the lock face on the lock bar could be hardened to a hardness close to that of the blade. That would reduce wear over a titanium lock, since titanium can't be hardened as much as some steels. Those are just my thoughts!
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IF the folder is made by Lionsteel, I don't see why they can't just utilize the replaceable locking surface like the SR-1 folder.
 
dl351 said:
Personally, I don't see the problem with using a steel frame lock instead of titanium. Sure, titanium is lighter, but a lot more expensive. It's also harder to machine. Depending on the steel choice, perhaps the lock face on the lock bar could be hardened to a hardness close to that of the blade. That would reduce wear over a titanium lock, since titanium can't be hardened as much as some steels. Those are just my thoughts!
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Weight is very important to me in a folder.The ESEE-3 folder will be HEAVY in steel, I'm afraid too heavy for my liking so that I wouldn't carry it very often. Titanium is MUCH lighter and would make this much more pocket friendly.

I would also like to see the replaceable steel insert on the locking sruface to reduce wear on the titanium.
 
"Best" is so subjective. I carry a Griptillian with an Axis lock that has served me very well in everything I have asked it to do.

So, as far as I"m concerned, it's the "best".

But the other folders I've carried from Cold Steel to CRKT and so on were the best as well.

The Onterio Rat 1 folder is the best... it's a beast of a knife.

Don't worry, ESEE won't release something unless it's the best. ;)
 
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