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moonwilson said:
Oh boy, I bet the people in New York can breathe easier now that all of those dangerous AO knives have been taken off of the streets. Everybody knows that switchblades and AO knives are way more dangerous than other ones (or broken bottles, or bricks, or baseball bats....):jerkit:
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or tins of Loganberries, Passionfruit, Banannas, Pineapples, or even.......Pointed Sticks!!
 
beginning to interpret the laws to include AO knives
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Beginning to interpret - "depends"

Put straight up, no new laws were passed, it is just some AG or lower "authority" taking it upon themselves to force the issue. Next up, some judge (when someone finally has the funds to prosecute the issue, probably to the supreme court of some state).

Just because a LEO does it, doesn't make it legal. It just means it has been done. The issue of legality is often decided only when the issue is forced into a precedent setting decision.
 
or tins of Loganberries, Passionfruit, Banannas, Pineapples, or even.......Pointed Sticks!!

i prefer a pointy rock tied to the end of a stick....... lol
 
Trihonda said:
Switchblades? Huh? Dude, I'm a police officer, allowed to carry firearms concealed, however, the one thing I'm NOT allowed to carry is a switchblade. The laws are fairly universal in the "states". Even us cops aint allowed to carry those things. :cool:

I agree with the Deacon. Regards.
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oh ok , i assumed you could have whatever you wanted

by the way , thanks for the reply mr Glesser
 
I think you don't need an auto compared to a well maintained spydie or the new wave version of delica/endura.
Further more: i live in the netherlands; all auto's are forbidden by law over here
I've got a little speedlock by boker. This knive works great for office people but out in the field when it gets sand and other gunk inside it it stops working properly in very short time :{) Don''t rely on autos but on fixed blades or normal folders . When a proper folder is maintained right a.o rinsing in open water and drying reag'ly it will open as quick as the person used to it!
 
Furthermore due to all the legal alternations of the last years I think for manufacturors it is no longer profitable to bring out auto's. Even a friend of mine who was in irak didn't rely on his benchmade autoreflex. Quote: "f@#$ pussyknive" i get my custom la griffe by fred perrin :{) I want one too. it looks asome custom made 1 no other on this planet i'm stincking jealous
 
you guys all have good points but for how often i actaully use my knives ( i`m more of a collector ) an a.o suits me just fine . besides you guys know i have plenty of good spydercos . my a.os don`t even leave my house
 
Trihonda said:
Switchblades? Huh? Dude, I'm a police officer, allowed to carry firearms concealed, however, the one thing I'm NOT allowed to carry is a switchblade. The laws are fairly universal in the "states". Even us cops aint allowed to carry those things.
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This sort of surprises me. I know that some of the Benchmade autos are used by certain branches / groups of the military. I guess I just assumed that LEO's had their choice of knives while on duty. :confused: Is this restriction really common across the country?

Razz
 
orthogonal1 said:
Beginning to interpret - "depends"

Put straight up, no new laws were passed, it is just some AG or lower "authority" taking it upon themselves to force the issue. Next up, some judge (when someone finally has the funds to prosecute the issue, probably to the supreme court of some state).

Just because a LEO does it, doesn't make it legal. It just means it has been done. The issue of legality is often decided only when the issue is forced into a precedent setting decision.
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You are correct, at least as the law stands today in New York, and many other states. The "problem" is that setting that precedent can be VERY expensive. Unlike civil law, "winning" in a criminal case does not entitle you to recover your legal fees, or the cost of your time. Plus, there is a chance the courts would side with the state, which in New York would mean a felony conviction on your record even if you got off with "just" probation.

There is also no guarantee that situation will not change in the future. Which was the point of my earlier post. Lawmakers are generally deluded by their title into thinking that passing laws is what the were elected to do. They are normally intelligent enough to know that passing laws that the majority of people favor (or at least do not object to) - no matter how useless those laws may be - is smarter, careerwise, than passing laws that actually solve problems, but offend the sensibilities of the majority. You know, and I know, that laws restricting the possession and carry of knives do jack-squat to reduce crime, but we are in the minority, WAY in the minority. John Q. and Fainty Grace Sheeple and the bleating heart liberal majority they belong to, are more than happy to find a way to blame inanimate objects rather than PEOPLE for crime.
 
I have a AO Benchmade. Just a basic 154cm, with a partial serration. Its a good knife, and i have put it though a good bit of use and abuse. Months ago i took it on deployment to the mid-east. I was given no issues when getting on the plane headed for the desert, M-4, AO, 6" blade, asp, you name it and the guys in my section brought it. But now that its time to go home, they are telling us we can't bring any knife 'not issued by the gov't.' So having bought and brought it over, now I can't bring it home. Thats pretty strange if you ask me. What is the beaurocracy coming to? I can get on the plane with a machine gun, but not a knife i got on my own. Funny no one said anything about this before we deployed. Personally, I will break my benchmade before I let customs have it. Guess i have to mail home all my knive to get to keep them. Just seems to me that if you can't trust Military personnel with weapons, then who can you trust. Someone on here has the spill about not giving up liberty for security. Thats just what we are doing now though. Hopefully they figure out what's important and let me take my AO on the plane, i'd hate to lose it for no reason.
 
Razzierb said:
This sort of surprises me. I know that some of the Benchmade autos are used by certain branches / groups of the military. I guess I just assumed that LEO's had their choice of knives while on duty. :confused: Is this restriction really common across the country?

Razz
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Not sure if it's common across the country. I would guess it is, but I can't say for sure. All I know is most places have a ban on switchblade knives ("switchblade" has such a neg connotation). Anyway, most police officers are allowed to carry concealed weapons because they exempted from the laws that specifically ban CCW. . However, there are separate laws that ban switchblade knives, and I doubt there are many LEO exemptions. The switchblade ban and CCW prohibition are seperate issues.

I feel no need for switchblades or AOs. I am a KISS kinda guy. The more wizmos and gidgets a device has, means more chance for failure and early wear-out. Take auto handguns for example. The avg. round life-span of an auto is maybe 10k. Whereas I know revolvers can typically fire many more rounds before its useful lifespan expires. Don't get me wrong... I carry an auto handgun and depend on it. However, I think revolvers might be a tad mroe dependable given the same conditions. The same is true with a knife. And, I'd fathom a guess that knives take more relative abuse than handguns in professional situations. I'd rather have the knife simple, funtional, and reliable. And the point which makes AOs a moot point, is that a regular, well designed folder, can perform just as speedily as an AO, if you know how to use it... If your thumb is not functioning, then you can't weild the knife anyways :) - Plus, there's less legal issues to worry about. If you want an AO, its your choice and it's not my job to judge. I'm just stating my humble opinion.
 
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