If you had a time machine.

So many things one could do with a time machine, both selfishly, or for the betterment of man....
Just sticking with the knife theme though, my first stop would be about 5 years ago, and I'd make better decisions when buying knives. Way more GEC, way less tactical.

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I'd go to 15th century Japan, buy a sword, then bring it back and sell it. I'd quit school, buy some land, build a modest house (but with a very nice deck/porch and huge aquarium) and a massive shop, fully equipped for wood, metal and cars. :thumbup:

Maybe I wouldn't get THAT much money, but I could invest what I did get, hopefully make my money into more money.

As fascinating as old stuff is, it's more about the spirit than the letter. To me, something modern but done the old way is good enough, especially when the difference between the two is $$$$$. I'd take a hotrod over a well-preserved original any day, and call me a heathen but I actually prefer the better steels and tighter tolerances of modern knives, so long as it still has that old soul.

And when I say that, I don't mean "modernized" or "stylized" abominations. I'm talking about the difference between a current production Case or GEC vs it's vintage counterpart. My old boss had a Trans Am that drove like a BMW, but still looked every bit of 1979 until you crawled under it.
 
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I'd go back to Egypt and trade for Pharao Tuts dagger made from meteor metal. In return I'd give him a gas station tactical all black heavily serrated assisted folder which never needs sharpening and has lots of skulls on it.

He would think he got the better end of the deal and would have trouble holding back his grin and me too.
Win win.


Also even if the dagger would be carbon dated to be from our time (since it travelled through time and didn't age) and thus be worthless for a museum or collector it's still a cool piece of art for me personally.

I know that this is for fun, but as an archaeologist, I just had to chime in...

You can't carbon date metal. You can only carbon date things that were alive, because what you are dating is the ratio of (radioactive) C14 to (stable) C13. While organisms are alive they are constantly taking in C14 from the atmosphere and things they eat at a fairly stable rate, and then those isotopes are incorporated into their cells. As soon as a thing dies it stops making new cells and the C14 in the material starts to decay into stable C13. The half life of C14 is less than 6,000 years (if I recall correctly, I don't work in an AMS dating lab myself), which is why you can only carbon date things to a maximum age of around 50,000 years ago. But that means that you can only date things that were alive.

So unless your knife that you brought back had bone or wood handles, it couldn't be dated (plastic is made from fossil carbon, which was alive, but hundreds of millions of years ago, so is composed of entirely stable carbon). But, just to make things more complicated, trees only replace cells in the outer layers, so the inside of an old tree can date to hundreds of years before the outer part (this is called the "old wood" problem in carbon dating).

But if your knife had wood handles, and you brought it back, the carbon inside would decay normally, and the carbon date would be the same as if it had started from back then. But if you had a knife with handles made from the inside of a 1000 year old tree, and brought them back to 1330BC, and traded with King Tut, then the knife would carbon date to 4280 years before present (because "present" in carbon dating is always 1950...).

But just to add extra things to think about, the amount of C14 in the atmosphere back in the mid-20th century was way higher than average, because most C14 is made by solar radiation, but all of the nuclear testing and explosions of the 20th century made lots of new man-made C14. But these days modern things are actually testing older than they are because of all of the fossil carbon being pumped into he atmosphere by fossil fuels like gasoline and coal. When we were blowing up lots of nukes we were putting enough radioactive carbon into the air to counteract the fossil fuels we were using, but now that we are burning more fossil fuels and blowing up fewer nukes we are throwing off the carbon ratios...

Okay. I'm sorry about the digression.

Time travel is hard.

I would go back to 2007 and buy a bunch of Lone Wolf Knives. But those aren't traditional. So if I went for a traditional, I would invest in bulletproof gear, then go and pick up a V-44 survival knife from WWII. Because I think they are cool. One was donated to the museum I worked at, and I had to research what it was. Marines in the pacific theater (early on) used to ditch their daggers for the Air Force Bailout Kit V-44 "machete". The V-44 big bowie style blade was a lot more useful in the islands. Of course the Marines switched to Ka-Bars really quickly, and the bailout kit knife changed, but those V-44's were cool. And I like the idea of Marines in the Pacific fighting with bowie knives.

http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/fighting_knives/survivalhistory.php
 
This thread is proving to be a fun experiment so to speak as it shows who we are as traditional knife lovers. Some are collectors who invest, some love the simplicity and connection to the past traditionals offer ,some are sentimentalist's, and some just plain love knives and want a certain knife that can no longer be had ( not easily that is )

I thought about going for something I could sell, but would end up keeping it as time travel is the only way I'd ever get such a knife 😁. I really liked the idea of experiencing the past as it was, and would love to discover then use my grandpa's first knife from new as he did.
I'd also love to go back in time 13-14 years and leave my Sabre USA sak copy on our door Matt with the note " every boy needs a pocket knife " so my first knife wouldn't have to be a dollar store pos 😉
 
I know that this is for fun, but as an archaeologist, I just had to chime in...
Cool. I wanted to be an archaeologist when I was small. Egyptology to be precice. Maybe that is why i picked this dagger. :-D
Of course I was aware of the limitations of carbon dating, indicated by me mentioning the fact that time travel would throw it off. I considered the possible non organic nature of the knife but also saw the possibility that it might have had a wooden handle clad in gold. Even if it were solid gold I thought they might have used some organic glue at least to hold the tang in the handle. But that would have been too much for my post, unless of course I would have known there's a real archeologist here. :-)

For knife nuts there is very little information regarding the dagger's construction in the web. Please let us know when there's a nice research paper.

Thanks also for all the details on carbon dating. I sure learned a few additional things.
 
Ok, so I have a time machine. This is fun. What would I do with it? Two words: sports betting.......

But along the parameters of the thread.... I would go back and get a brand new original Loveless. Screw mastercard, that would be priceless.
 
Cool. I wanted to be an archaeologist when I was small. Egyptology to be precice. Maybe that is why i picked this dagger. :-D
Of course I was aware of the limitations of carbon dating, indicated by me mentioning the fact that time travel would throw it off. I considered the possible non organic nature of the knife but also saw the possibility that it might have had a wooden handle clad in gold. Even if it were solid gold I thought they might have used some organic glue at least to hold the tang in the handle. But that would have been too much for my post, unless of course I would have known there's a real archeologist here. :-)

For knife nuts there is very little information regarding the dagger's construction in the web. Please let us know when there's a nice research paper.

Thanks also for all the details on carbon dating. I sure learned a few additional things.

Here's the link to the academic article, but it is behind a pay wall :( http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/maps.12664/full

I can't even get a pdf through the university easily. But you could probably request a copy through interlibrary loan.
 

Heh, I didn't think to check Researchgate.

One last thought on the topic of dating the dagger (I haven't looked at the article yet) but I don't think they likely did any direct dating on the dagger. Even if there was organic glue, it would be destructive to carbon date it. When it comes to things related to Tut the dates are all pretty well nailed down. It helps that the Egyptians had a system of writing.
 
I'd go back to 1948 or so, south side of Chicago. I'd hit an old school hardware store and buy a Case pocketknife, then head to Maxwell Street to listen to guys like Muddy Waters and Little Walter jam the blues while I feasted on fried fish and greens.

-- Mark
 
Several Bob Loveless knives, the ones with full nudes...just cause they are so pretty of course.;)
Thanks,Neal
Chute and city knives for sure. Semiskinner, probably just one of every kind I could. That or feudal Japan, before the 1680's, when the Shogunate solidified the warring states and factions. Musashi's sword?
 
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Keep it focused on knives, folks.
 
If it had to be knife specific, go back and bring a whole load of wootz to this day and age.
 
I'd probably go back to early 1900s New York and stuff my pockets with NYKC, Camillus, Schrade, etc. knives with a special focus on barehead jacks in dark wood covers.
 
I really enjoy Vic Alox knives, and perhaps not exactly traditional in their scale material the slip joint is certainly traditional. If it were only about getting something I want it would be a few handfuls of the Vic Railroad Pioneer brand new. However when I was a young kid out camping with my dad, he let me run off into the woods with one of his knives strapped on my belt. As young kids are apt to do, I lost the knife. Not knowing at the time that it was handed down to him from his grandfather. Thankfully he still has one other from great granddad, the one pictured below. But I would love to go back and find that knife.

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Or I could go back to the 1950's, in Lime Kiln Maryland. There was a farm right on Buckystown Pike where a young guy named Bill Moran was making knives for very low prices at the farms forge. He'd have loved it when I'd order a dozen or more from him.

Then shoot back to the 1870's to any small town out west. Pick up a load of real original John Russell barlow's to take back in pristine condition. The rougher the saw cut bone, the better!
 
For fun, if I really could, with no consequence to changing the present, there are several things I would do knife related.

I would go back and learn the craft from the old masters and the current. I would then start my own cutler co. after securing funds through a lotto winning.

I would go back and learn the true process to forging a katana, kukuri, and puukko.

Once my cutlery co. was up and going I would start a school in hills of west North Carolina to teach the art to future generations.

I would watch my great grandfather use his knowing one day I would have them.

Selfishly, I would take the spear that stabbed Christ. Maybe I would. Maybe I wouldn't once there.

I would go to the future to learn the market, new steels, and laws. Maybe even find out when knives would be replaced by depth controlled pocket safety lasers and then sell all my knives a week before knives were outlawed.

There really isn't a knife I want from the past. I have all I need and am enjoying the present in building a history with them. I would use the time machine to learn.
 
I really enjoy Vic Alox knives, and perhaps not exactly traditional in their scale material the slip joint is certainly traditional. If it were only about getting something I want it would be a few handfuls of the Vic Railroad Pioneer brand new. However when I was a young kid out camping with my dad, he let me run off into the woods with one of his knives strapped on my belt. As young kids are apt to do, I lost the knife. Not knowing at the time that it was handed down to him from his grandfather. Thankfully he still has one other from great granddad, the one pictured below. But I would love to go back and find that knife.

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That's an awesome old western there, I just love westerns though I only own one.
Being able to find the knife you lost would be cool, but you'd basically have to stalk yourself and pick it up. Can you imagine having to explain to your father why you were following his son through the woods 😁
 
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