If you saw a signaling mirror or heard a whistle, would you investigate or run away?

If I'm able to help, without bringing my own safety in too much danger, I will. I guess..

I never liked the feeling of standing at the sideline and not be able to help. So as teen I already took a first aid course (+ updates afterwards).

While still taking the first aid course (didn't do exam yet) I was once in the train and a guy jumped in front of it to commit suicide, train hit emergency beak and guy was laying a couple of meters away from my window, still alive. Through the speaker the conductor was calling for doctors and/or first aid people. I was shaking in my chair, should I go or not. Finally decided not to help since I didn't finalize the course yet and already a number of people volunteered. Ok, very different situation than OP suggested, but must say a tough decision to make at that time.

A year later I was biking home from a party at 4 am (had a few beers, yes it's allowed here). A car was approaching (going downhill), but I soon noticed it was speeding too much for the slight bend in the road. It managed to miss the first lamppost, but frontally hit the second with about 110 km/h and ended spinning in the road side at the other side... I was just biking next to that lamppost with only a sloppy wooden 70 cm high fence in between. Jumped of my bike and ran to the car. Did my first aid and waited for the cops etc to arrive. Was happy I could do something at that moment and lucky the car didn't bounce the other way.

No remote forest here, but I do offer help (also when I'm alone) if I find someone on my path. In the forest luckily less severe situations, mostly lost day hikers or someone with a twisted ankle. And if someone calling for help it's often kids playing. In the remote area's I'm never alone, so I'll assess the situation and most likely go there.

In my spare time I'm qualified rock climbing instructor and I'm also doing alpine climbing, via ferrata etc.. People signalling for help are generally in a situation and don't have bad intentions. Really depends on the situation if you go in or wait for mountain rescue who has the proper gear.
Once during holidays I planned for a via ferrata. On the trail to it I met an elderly couple sitting with their binoculars and coffee on a bench. They told me that due to a wash out the route was much more difficult and some people got stuck the day before and had to get rescued by mountain rescue (which had a hut nearby). They told another group was now probably stuck again at the same spot because they didn't see any progress for past 45 minutes. So checked with their binoculairs had a coffee with them and continued my approach. At the start of the route was a big sign with a note that due to a washout the route wash drastically increased in difficulty (and was now classified in highest grade) and they advised it was only suitable for very experienced people. I checked the start, which was ok, but decided to take another route since I was with an inexperienced friend. And I didn't want to end up in a situation rescuing some stupid tourists who couldn't read signs.
It's an interesting discussion (if you're going to help or not) which I have more often with other climbers/mountaineers. Once had a interesting discussion with an Everest expedition member that decided not to help a guy they found from another expedition team. On the way back they discovered he had died.
 
Once had a interesting discussion with an Everest expedition member that decided not to help a guy they found from another expedition team. On the way back they discovered he had died.

What a prick that guy was. I've heard that is common on Everest and other big mountain expeditions. People train for a year or more and spend tens of thousands of dollars to summit. Then they're on their way to the top only to see someone in need and decide not to help them. Knowing that by helping that person down the mountain, they may not be able to ascend to the summit as the window to ascend may only be open for that one or two days during a week. They (this guy in particular) decided to summit to prove something to tourist, stranger at a bar, friends, family, and themselves. That they are a selfish prick and have the photos to prove it. One of them smiling on a summit, and another beside a corpse of the person they passed on the way up there.
 
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I saw approx. that same K2 documentary on cable last week. I had the same reaction ( "selfish pricks").

There are places where people will step on your dying body in order to progress towards their goals. And it's not just on Everest. I liked how they were wistful and regretful as they walked past green boots cave. At least Sir Edmond Hillary had enough sense to damn their behavior.


In California's high desert wilderness region:
Big city Californians are unlikely to stop for you. If you are broken down 20 miles from anywhere w/o water, it's a big joke to them. They may even speed up and throw dirt on you w/ their dirt bikes (seen that one):barf: Their thrown beer bottles missed me.

Truly rural locals will stop and offer whatever sparse help they have available.:) (Seen that one, too)


The only upside to the influx of weekend LA dirtbikers, is they fill our local emergency rooms most weekends. I suppose our doctors are dependent on their messy crashes for boat payments. Every time I mention dirt bikes to an emergency room nurse, they talk me out of wanting one! They kind of shudder as they debunk my dirtbike dreams.:rolleyes:
 
I'm a skeptic, not a cynic, so I'd do what I could to investigate. If I thought it would be overly dangerous I'd haul butt to report it asap.
 
Call in a 6 figure ref. RAF search and rescue or coastguard can get a heli there much quicker than I can get there. They've got all the tools they need in place to treat a casualty on the spot or to CASEVAC them. There's zero incentive for me to involve myself unless an easy photo opportunity presents itself.

Yes, that is the first step but not the only step

I would make my own personal evaluation to see if I could get there fast enough to help in relation to how fast external help could arrive
 
What a prick that guy was.

I do agree and disagree. Yes it is selfish, but it’s not that simple.

Everyone doing these big mountain expeditions should do a lot of training and preparation. You go there with a full self-supporting team (including medic). No mountain rescue to save your ass, well maybe they pick you up in basecamp, but could take a day or more. When things go bad, it’s the teams responsibility to deal with it. If your team gives up on someone, why should another expedition team take responsibility? The question is could they even help or are they just extending the death by half a day. If you break a leg up there, you’re actually already screwed.

If you trained and prepared with your team for more than a year and spend tens of thousands of dollars to summit. And on your way to the summit you meet other teams that try to summit on flip-flops and without proper preparation is that your responsibility? Continuing is quite selfish, but if a team goes there without proper preparation I call it very selfish as well! So which one is worse?

I’ve been in climbing area’s (and friends as well) were a lot of stupid unprepared tourist come. In the beginning I was very ambitious to correct people (strangers) if I saw them making mistakes, but if I would continue like that I would never get to the stuff I’m therefore; my own holidays. Besides that not everyone is always that grateful if you try to correct them from a (dangerous) mistake. Nowadays when I’m on holidays, I’m on holidays, so I only advise the people next to me (safer to me and I don’t like to get a trauma). If an accident happens a bit further away I will check it out, I’m still an instructor and trained in rescue techniques.

I criticize more the situations in urban areas were persons get beaten up or are injured lying in the street and people just pass without offering help. Maybe they snap a picture with their mobile to show some friends, or abuse the moment to steel their wallet. Or the press/reporters taking shots of badly injured people or people dying and just keep their camera’s rolling to sell their story. And preferably confront the relatives with it and make some close-up shots of them crying. It just makes me puke and it happens more often than an expedition team leaving someone behind.
 
It depends on the situation. I have flown/ flown in personal aircraft since I was little, and flying over wooded/wilderness areas are common. On many occasions I have seen mirror signals, but there just kids usually. I / we never turned off course to see what the situation was. I’m not saying that I wouldn’t help, in fact the Civil Air Patrol (you or your kids can volunteer for it) are some of the first people out searching when someone is lost. The first thing I would recommend is let someone know where you are going, so there will be a search party, and not shining a signal mirror at someone in a plane that is just going from point A to point B, a lot of time it comes down to amount of gas and the cost of it (For a comparison, a common Cessna 172 ((type and model)) typically has an O-320-H2AD engine that is 320 cubic inches of displacement running at a cruising RPM of about 2300, just so that you get an Idea of how much aviation gas is being consumed, then you’re into how much time the engine can run, like to the next airport)
If I was trying to attract a private plane like that, it would be a big smoky fire, but better yet 3 of them, or maybe an SOS dug into the earth with burning gas.

If I were hiking and someone was signaling, I think I would go to see what it was, because most of the time I’m out to explore/hike anyhow.

I dunno’ I just thought I’d add my experience
 
[erased personal attack on the OP's obviously high premise :P ]

Is there a single backpacker here who would think "ambush" if they perceived some distress signal?! Seriously, get a grip...

For the rest of us: I guess you can't expect asshole customer climber tourists to remember their humanity if they've got $40K+ riding on the vaunted K2 ego-experience. It's fascinating, in a creepy way, to see them make a series of excuses for stepping over the bodies of the dying on their way to the summit. I suppose they feel they have to make the summit, since they've boasted ahead of time to every person they know that they're "doing K2", and therefore cannot jyp themselves out of the attendant fame and be made to look the fool, merely to preserve a human life.


I'd like to think I'm different.:o Yeah-- I'm not going to K2, and I wouldn't step over a dying man in order to summit.
 
I would have to help, or at the very least investigate. It's what I do, for the last 22 years or so. Even if it were not my profession, my conscience would not allow me to ignore a distress call. If I am in the woods, I am armed, and quite confident in my ability to defend myself if need be.
 
Brad "the butcher";10273622 said:
Just stay safe and don't leave the net, the world can be scary
Seriously if your confidence level is low enough to consider running away from a whistle or flashing light off trail that could be someone injured or just kids playing you should join a walking/hiking group for morale support when outdoors, safety in numbers...don't forget your helmet in case you fall.

Man card now revoked pending testicular upgrading

What he said^
 
If I was close I'd check it out. Those mirrors can be seen for many miles so It depends. Maybe mark your position and take a bearing toward the light flashes then call SAR when you get to where your phone works. I wouldn't assume it was some sort of setup automatically, though if it was I feel good about my odds of defending myself. There are some bad people in the world but I'm trying to keep my humanity.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Brad "the butcher"
Just stay safe and don't leave the net, the world can be scary
Seriously if your confidence level is low enough to consider running away from a whistle or flashing light off trail that could be someone injured or just kids playing you should join a walking/hiking group for morale support when outdoors, safety in numbers...don't forget your helmet in case you fall.

Man card now revoked pending testicular upgrading

What he said^

What they said!
 
This is the Wilderness Survival Forum- we must respond-just do not jump in blind!
 
I believe most, especially those here, would report and/or investigate if they saw flashes coming from the wilderness like this...

[video=youtube;GwCbgQGmID4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwCbgQGmID4[/video]

Survival Mirrors and Whistles are one of those items with a proven track record and worth the weight to carry.
 
It is not a crime to disturb public officials.

Any member of the safety forces who would be "disturbed" by an honest report of what are arguably distress signals needs to find another line of work.
 
If you think it's a trap then double back, dog leg around to the rear of where the signal was and come in from behind to see what's going on, keeping a certain distance and not being visible.

...or you could crash through the brush like a retarded moose, screaming: "I'M COMING TO HELP BUT I'M ARMED AND MEDICATED, SO IF I DON'T LIKE THE VIBE I'M-A KILLIN' EVER ONE O' YOU SONS O' BITCHES!"

That's the Rooster Cogburn strategy. They don't have to know you ain't armed, you just have to give the appearance that you are. Besides, how many of us on this forum ain't carrying at LEAST three knives, one of which might be a foot long, at any given time?
 
If you think it's a trap then double back, dog leg around to the rear of where the signal was and come in from behind to see what's going on, keeping a certain distance and not being visible.

...or you could crash through the brush like a retarded moose, screaming: "I'M COMING TO HELP BUT I'M ARMED AND MEDICATED, SO IF I DON'T LIKE THE VIBE I'M-A KILLIN' EVER ONE O' YOU SONS O' BITCHES!"


That's the Rooster Cogburn strategy. They don't have to know you ain't armed, you just have to give the appearance that you are. Besides, how many of us on this forum ain't carrying at LEAST three knives, one of which might be a foot long, at any given time?

LMAO! That made me smile.
 
Let's try to be realistic, here.

Anytime you observe a distress signal, you mark its position on the map. Then, you fall back to the reverse slope, dig in a fighting position with your Smatchet, and radio in the grid coordinates to higher ups, for the coming air strike. Afterwards, you can perform the bomb damage assesment for your written report.

Lets not overly complicate this. It really is that simple.
 
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