Ignorance

Warlock6,
I stand by my statement! Debateing simantics does not ,nor will not change the statement! I equate you to Zen,not by any streach,the other!!
jim
 
Very well; I am Zen although I study other paths.
All paths lead to the top of the mountain.
 
Always something to learn here in the cantina...

What is the sound of one khukuri chopping?

Best I could do after 12 hrs at work - nothing turns your brain to mush more effectively than reading computer source code. I really am getting too old for this job...

Andrew Limsk
 
Let us settle this bit of nonsense now. I, nor, anyone else knows how many schools of thought there are. There five major ones in Tibet alone.
I do know what I think, and I am most happy to share it. It won`t hurt you and it may do some good.
Thunder makes the noise boys, but lightning does the work. And you can shove the stupid "smilies". Well, one with a bullet hole between his eyes may be acceptable.
Now, to work: We all know that Zen is for the Warrior. What does it say....?

A special transmission outside Scripture;
No dependence on words or letters;
Direct pointing at the Mind of man;
Seeing into one`s nature and the
attainment of Buddhahood.

Now this is an idea that I can work with. Quite simple. A certain Para elan. The killing business is simple.
When idiots try to complicate it is when it falls apart.
 
The major doctrinal difference between Zen and Lamaism (Tibetan Buddhism) is that Zen talks about "Buddha nature" as if it were a fundamental essence that inheres in beings. Zen probably adopted this idea from the Tao of Chinese philosophy.

Lamaism, by contrast, has been primarily influenced by the doctrinal view that there are no essences, an argument first developed in Madhyamaka and codified in Tibet through the Gelugpa lineage (the one with the Dalai Lama as head), which now dominates Tibetan tradition in general.

I think it's more proper to say that Zen is less formal than Lamaism, but not that it's 'simpler.' Quite a few Zen schools proliferated at one time, splitting hairs over particulars, and are/were surrounded with the same kind of organized religious trappings that are more obvious in Lamaism. :o
 
It Is true that the Tao is an influence in Zen. It is also true that different definitions are used, even within the same sect. Different languages are used. This, of course, confuses scholars. None of this matters to one, who through extremis, has lived The Way. one might call it the hard way.
Laotzu describes the Tao and Wu-Wei.
I think the Tao means the way; the cosmic force of the universe, but it also has a variey of other meanings.
Wu-Wei means non assertion. A selfless acceptance that the Way is infinately wise and good.
The Christian conception of God must be supported by doctrines and dogmas; the Buddhist conception of Buddahood must be elucidated by other profound conceptions, but the Tao conception is self-contained.
It is just as it is.

If I have missed offending anyone; please line up in an orderly manner.
Clearly this would have little in common with the Old Testament anthropormorphic autocracy.

This is just my opinion. I didn`t even get into Zen.
 
Warlock6,
You offend!! Surely you jest!!Would love to sit with you trade insults ,info.etc.& see who could offend or p****** who first!
Just to listen to you,I would pay$$$ for the privilage!
jim
 
Different languages are used. This, of course, confuses scholars. None of this matters to one, who through extremis, has lived The Way.
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I think it is important to understand the origin and historical development of a concept, because it reveals alot about what was meant when, and by whom. These differences are important for how such concepts are understood and, by extension, 'lived.'

It is less of an issue, though, with 'natural religions' (eg. most Buddhist and Taoist schools), in which access to religious/spiritual truths are not mediated through revelation or scripture, than with 'revealed religions' (like mainstream Christianity or Islam), which are.
 
Bill, if you "leave the rest" it's always there and you can go back and pick up whatever you forgot or thought you didn't need.

Rob, did you ever hear of the Zen laugh? I think I just experienced it when I "read" your post.

Favorites? Bible, Gita, Khayyam, and a few novels.
 
"The Tao is like a river, so float along with me."

"Gimme that.. Church of the Holy Spook, Church of the Holy Spook, Church of the Holy Spook, it's good enough for me..."
 
Have you ever noticed pictures of Buddhist`s. They look happy.
What is the essential point of Buddhism?
Unless you have it, you do not understand.
So, how does one understand?
One can study,and get part.
One can live and get all.
Buddhism is not a religion in the high tradition. Thus it has no conflict with religions.
Sometimes understanding is just a gift.
Sometimes it comes with blood, sweat and tears.
 
Screwed again.
I just meant thatI seem to have registered eith the folks that control Courgar`s sight with another ISP; which they are glad to send the password too. However, I have no idea where it went.
Perhaps I can figure a way.
 
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