illegal to carry a knife.

[philwar]

I've always felt it much easier to carry a gun or a knife than a police officer...you must have very small police down under

Notice that the alternative of having the police protect you is to stay away from unsafe places.
Now just hope you know which those are, that there aren't too many of them, and that you never actually need to be in one.

How nice and simple the world really is. Just stay away from unsafe places (the roadsigns will tell you) or have the police protect you. What can possibly go wrong?

 

[arty]

I have been to Norway - to Oslo - and I will be going back again. I should mention that Norway is one of those places in Europe that is pretty well off. They are wealthy - from oil. They also are a country that resisted the German invasion in WW2, unlike some of their neighbors.

I certainly won't carry a knife when in Norway, but I do like the country and the people.
Back home in the U.S., I always edc a pocket knife and always follow local laws.
I am looking forward to future trips to Oslo.

 

[SCALPHUNTER]

Importing of single hand opening knives into Australia is currently stopped for major importers such as those wholesalers who supply stores.

Many small operators and collectors are now finding their knives are being siezed by customs if they can be opened single handedly including being flicked open using gravity. One person i spoke to recently said his knife was stopped even though it couldn't be flicked open as the excuse was if the pivot was loosened it could be.

Now there are rumours from store holders that single hand opening knives will be banned from being sold owned or carried.


Governments will always attempt to take your rights away as long as they know you won't put up a fight. If the People stand up to government, and let them know they won't stand by and let their rights be trampled, then perhaps you may get some of them back. Trust me, I'm a Native American and we know alittle bit about government not keeping it's promises. Even so, way, way back, the US fought a Revolutionary War to preserve it's rights, and to kick a tyrannical government out of power...and today we still have our guns and knives because we will not allow the government to take our rights away from us.

 

[M@elstrom]

I agree with handofcod with this. Whilst I've been in some situations where having a knife would have made me feel better, I think thats all it would have done. Especially the part about flashing it out of fear, the other persons involved would more than likely see it as a challenge, and maybe not know whether you are scared/looking for a fight.

However, at least we can carry it whilst hiking/camping, or if we have a legal reason/job like a paramedic, or if you've been fishing, but thats where it all gets a bit shady.

not trying to make my post too political, but I wonder what would happen if you picked up a package from the post office, didn't open it, put it in your bag with, and knowing that it had a knife inside, if they would charge you with concealing a weapon? I was in that situation the other day, no police, but still wonder who would be in the right. of course I geuss you could say you didn't know that the package had a knife inside.

Bringing a knife to a purely physical encounter could end up simply providing your opponent with additional means to harm you... confidence, skill and training would be the deciding factors BUT then you'd still have to deal with the Judicial system & possibly a Civil Lawsuit :barf:

Good point about the packaged knife Vs. Weapon Concealment Laws, you could transpose the same situation to a readily purchased knife in a shopping bag along with the receipt... intent and ease of deployment would be the deciding factors for this one IMHO

I (AFAIK legally) EDC a medium Multi-tool at work but it comes off when I "clock off" :thumbup:

 

[Moondrop]

Bringing a knife to a purely physical encounter could end up simply providing your opponent with additional means to harm you... confidence, skill and training would be the deciding factors BUT then you'd still have to deal with the Judicial system & possibly a Civil Lawsuit :barf:

Good point about the packaged knife Vs. Weapon Concealment Laws, you could transpose the same situation to a readily purchased knife in a shopping bag along with the receipt... intent and ease of deployment would be the deciding factors for this one IMHO

I (AFAIK legally) EDC a medium Multi-tool at work but it comes off when I "clock off" :thumbup:

Not sure why the focus of some posts seems to be on knives as weapons. Most EDC knives in the U.S. I'd bet are used as nothing more than tools most of the time. Cut stuff, open stuff, tear down stuff, etc. That's what mine are for.

Wouldn't you at least like the *choice* about whether to carry or not? As it stands it doesn't seem you're allowed to decide to not carry a knife with you during the day. It's simply prohibited. To me, it would be depressing, if not insulting, if my government didn't trust me with so much as a Swiss Army Knife.

 

[jungle878]

the same In china,what the F*k

 

[HandofCod]

No disrespect but: you're misguided. Just because you don't fear violent crime, doesn't mean it won't happen to you.
I live in Holland and we've been defanged as much as you have been. Home invasions, robberies, rapes, car jackings are just as common here as they are in Australia (where my ex-wife lives and where I've lived too). The police are not there when you need them, they simply cannot be.
Your position is what the State would like you to believe. The irony is, it's true for you until proven otherwise - which is a matter of statistics. But if and when it happens, you will be powerless to defend yourself and your loved ones - because the State ordained it so, and you've bought into their story.

There is no good reason to disarm law-abiding citizens. Even if there was zero crime in your country.

Again, I mean no disrespect, no offense was intended.

None taken! And I welcome a point of view that's well thought out and articulated.

Try to keep in mind that I love gear. I would very likely be a proud owner of a handgun or two where I to live in the States. I also looked into getting a licence for a rifle with the idea of taking up target shooting. I don't have anything against people that want to own them but equally I don't know of anyone here in Melbourne that wants or feels the needs to go armed in public or be armed in the home for defensive purposes. We do have a growing class of disaffected youth that like pulling a knife in a street fight but I'm glad they have very little access to guns. Generally speaking those that commit crimes with firearms in Melbourne are the organised mafia type of dudes that like nothing better than to whack each other rather than regular joes.

 

[grayman19]

Here in Massachusetts, it is illegal to carry anything with a 2.5 in blade or greater. While this rules out nearly everything but a box cutter, it is allowed to carry a knife in "such applications where the use of a knife is customary". I have not yet had to argue that cutting up an apple and opening a box are customary applications of a knife, but I plan to if I must.

 

[Ikarus]

The laws here are totally nuts! This law is actually so vague that it can apply to any sharp or pointy object capable of causing harm (screwdrivers, pens, pencils, chopsticks, whatever). They are designed to give LEO's and prosecutors a lot of leeway to go after gang members and other criminals (primarily in larger towns/cities).

tpa,
The best suggestion I can give you is to start hiking in the woods a lot (like every day). Not only is it healthy and fun, you'll have a valid excuse for carrying a knife in the (highly unlikely) event that you get searched by a LEO.
Make sure the knife doesn't look too tacticool, and it won't hurt your case if it has a little sap and dirt on it as well. After all, since it's legal to carry a knife for hiking, it's also legal to carry it while you're going to and from the woods.

 

[TOM1960]

Here in Massachusetts, it is illegal to carry anything with a 2.5 in blade or greater. While this rules out nearly everything but a box cutter, it is allowed to carry a knife in "such applications where the use of a knife is customary". I have not yet had to argue that cutting up an apple and opening a box are customary applications of a knife, but I plan to if I must.

I live in Massachusetts (Dracut; 25 miles north of Boston). The 2.5" blade laws are local ordinances that were enacted Boston, Revere, Lawrence, Salem, Lynn and Beverly. Penalty is arrest and a $300 fine. Lowell politicians discussed implementing such a law and I believe Worcester passed one as well. These are local ordinances, legal under the Massachusetts "home rule" laws. They are not Massachusetts General Laws that apply to the entire state. In all cases, exemptions are allowed for carrying knives over 2.5" for work and sporting uses.

 

[Bhamster]

I tend to use my knives for routine tasks such as cutting things etc. I also have crowns and a bridge in the front of my mouth. I could not eat an apple without a knife to cut it and I like apples. I think the most important reason to be able to carry guns is because the police can. I lived in a very dodgy neighborhood in Philly for about 8 years in my 20s in a crap neighborhood (kensington in the 1990s). I had a reasonable fear of the street thugs but mostly my fear was of the police. I needed a large space to do my work and thus had to live in a marginal area. When police saw me, they always assumed I was another white boy visiting from Jersey to buy drugs. The Police were less then pleasant and would stop me several times a week to harass me. I was always respectful and they were consistently assholes. I had a CCW but never carried in the street. I fear that people as ignorant, racist, greedy and malicious as those cops were will be the only ones with guns. If they become the only armed ones they would become complete tyrants.

 

[Bhamster]

Oh another point for knives, is that I have never heard of a drive by stabbing or kids getting caught in a knife crossfire. I say give the cops knives and a truncheon and allow everyone a knife and then many places would be much safer. Maybe give the cops a sword but take away their cars so they have to learn their neighborhoods on foot. They would be friendlier, more effective and less overweight.

 

[TexAg10]

But I don't live in fear of attack or invasion. That's why I'd let the cops do their job if I need them.

I don't live in fear either, but I still carry a pistol everyday. It's not living in fear, it's living in a state of alertness.

It's already been mentioned before, but when you REALLY want the police to be there, IE to save your life from a violent attacker, they won't be. Some of us choose to prepare for that.

 

[JCK]

After all, since it's legal to carry a knife for hiking, it's also legal to carry it while you're going to and from the woods.

That is where it is quite confusing here, and a grey area, as technically, whilst transporting the knife whilst travelling to your destination, or returning back home, they would say that you are not hiking, and you are therefore carrying a knife with no legal reason. However if you stick it in your pack, with all yoru other gear, and perhaps some food, I think that is seen as a better approach by police.

 

[drgnclwk]

It's not absolutely important for me here in the US, but definitely nice to be carrying a knife whenever I need to cut something.

 

[nightsirk]

I'd just like to add i think it is legal to carry a knife here in Norway if you have a practical reason for it, e.g. your job requires it or if you're wearing a national costume.

As mentioned, the law is mostly there to give the courts a good reason to fine or put away gang members and men of low moral fiber. I guess in most cases you would just get a warning if you were "caught" carrying a small pocketknife, especially if it's just during the daytime. I take my chances and carry my dragonfly daily.

Carrying a knife at a bar is something else, and probably would get you in trouble. I always put away my knife in my laptop bag or leave it at the office if me and my colleagues go out to grab a beer after work.

 

[philwar]

I'd just like to add i think it is legal to carry a knife here in Norway if you have a practical reason for it, e.g. your job requires it or if you're wearing a national costume.

I think self defense is a practical reason. Governments in Norway and Holland disagree with me.
But even general purpose is not a good reason for them.

As mentioned, the law is mostly there to give the courts a good reason to fine or put away gang members and men of low moral fiber.

Low moral fiber is now illegal in Norway? And who's to judge?

 

[JCK]

I'd just like to add i think it is legal to carry a knife here in Norway if you have a practical reason for it, e.g. your job requires it or if you're wearing a national costume.

As mentioned, the law is mostly there to give the courts a good reason to fine or put away gang members and men of low moral fiber. I guess in most cases you would just get a warning if you were "caught" carrying a small pocketknife, especially if it's just during the daytime. I take my chances and carry my dragonfly daily.

Carrying a knife at a bar is something else, and probably would get you in trouble. I always put away my knife in my laptop bag or leave it at the office if me and my colleagues go out to grab a beer after work.

Yep, I'm pretty sure it similair here in Oz, although if you were caught with a knife on yoru persons without a legal reason, you may get a bit more than a warning, I guess it really, like you said, depends on where you are, and what time of day it is, for example 2 am in the valley here in oz, or 2 pm down in a quiet surburban area.

And like you said the size too would play a part, as I too have a dragonfly and that is, not everyone may agree, less intimidating then a mini rukus. Also I guess if you don't look or act suspcious then you should be fine. Its worked for me so far, and I have a somewhat legal reason, however I am waiting on an email back from the weapons licensing branch to confirm or deny this.

 

[nightsirk]

I think self defense is a practical reason. Governments in Norway and Holland disagree with me.
But even general purpose is not a good reason for them.


Low moral fiber is now illegal in Norway? And who's to judge?

I totally agree with you philwar. I'm just saying you won't automatically be rounded up just for carrying a small knife. I hope the laws will be relaxed, but I don't see that happening anytime soon... :grumpy:

 

[Robert.B]

I've never had reason to carry a knife as an edc but know people who do/did. I've had times that I've felt threatened and I think flashing a knife (in fear not aggravation) might have made things worse. Or course everyone says they don't need knife/gun/spear/whatever until they REALLY need one so my experiences don't count for much.

Here in Oz all knives are considered controlled weapons, you can carry one as long as it's not on the prohibited list and as long as you have legitimate reason for using the knife, camping, hunting for example. Self defense is not a legitimate reason for carrying a knife.

Considering the culture of alcohol fueled cowardly beatings and stabbings that is growing in Australia I don't know what I think about that. I'd prefer the police protect me rather than having to do it myself and just stay away from places where I think I might have to!

Gun control is even tighter here I think - no handguns period, unless you like target shooting. You can own pretty much any rifle you want as long as its bolt action and less than five rounds in a magazine. You'll need a safe though which is bolted to the ground.

I've never had reason for a gun but I'd like to take up rifle shooting as a sport - the safe requirement has always kept me back though because I don't own a house I can't bolt it to the ground...

you have a lot wrong, for instance rifle laws you stated are not true in any way as well pistol laws vary based on the license you have, most pistol shooters have a sporting one which you have to attend a set amount of shoots to for fill legitimacy to own...I had rifles with 10 round mags and I had a safe that did not require being bolted on the ground (if its over a certain weight and SSAA approved it doesn't matter). As for carrying a knife it is pretty much illegal to do so, no reason you can give a cop will be legitimate and I have seen this to be true in my experience here...that said I have been carrying since i was in primary school, and do not intend to stop, I edc 2 knives because I am alert to possible dangers with areas I have to goto and its my birth right to do what I must to survive (no government will tell me I cannot defend myself). End of the year I leave this country permanently, I wont raise children in a socialist environment where police are judge, jury, and executioner.

When seconds count the police are minutes away, but in this damn country I have waited over an HOUR for police in situations with ARMED patrons (i used to do security) so after those incidents I began carrying an ASP baton to make sure I go home the way I went to work.