I'm a sad knife owner today.

savagesicslayer said:
Oh man no I love my Spyderco's.I'll keep on buying their stuff.I have a native that's been through hell and back a few times and came out smiling.
I didn't hit the blade till it broke I grabbed it with my hand and snapped it when I tried to pull it free of the wood after the scales broke.
I'll take Sal up on his offer.
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Good to hear - hopefully they can help you out!
 
mtnfolk mike said:
this is a bummer.. makes me a bit hesitant to use mine...:(
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Phil Brown said:
I wasn't really shocked to hear about the problems with the spalted wood scales, but this is really unusual. What a bizarre coincidence to have both problems in the same knife!

I was sitting on the fence about picking up one of the seconds. I guess I'm stepping down until we can find out if there was actually anything wrong with the blade or not.
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I don't think that there is anything wrong with the design, as long as it is used as a knife to cut things. If I wanted to baton with a knife, I would probably look at a RAT, a Becker or a Busse. I understand the desire to push a knife to it's limits, but for me, I would always wonder if such an action isn't causing metal fatigue or micro-fractures, which would cause a failure when I really need the knife.

By the looks of it, the handle slabs and the ventilated tang were designed to work in unison, with the slabs serving to add rigidity to the tang. If the slabs are damaged or fractured, a great deal of strength is lost. I couldn't help but notice that the photos illustrate missing pieces of the front part of the slabs, resulting in a weakening of the front part of the tang. Add lateral pressure to the side of the handle when it is jammed in a hardened piece of wood and you have the perfect storm.

SS is an experienced outdoors-man, who also likes Spyderco products, so I have no problem with the accuracy of his statements. I wouldn't have batoned the knife, but that's just me.
 
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The holes in the tang should only be in the tang, and not so close to the blade area. That is where any blade will take the most stress.
I once had a Gerber kitchen knife that had the blade break off while cutting chocolate, hardly "hard use." The 440C blade sheared where the blade met the handle. Gerber sent a replacement - my guess is that there was a heat treatment problem there.
It is not good to weaken the blade at that point for a hard use knife. Personally, I don't think of any pocket knife as "hard use." That is for fixed blade knives, and not small ones. 01 should be a very tough steel, certainly tougher than the typical stainless, or even the better types of stainless.
 
While lab tests are fine and they show much, there's nothing like "real world" testing to "improve the breed".

We'll use his knife to do just that on future Bushcraft models.

sal
 
savagesicslayer said:
I sent the knife back a while ago.I was wondering if there's anything to report?
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I was looking for this thread myself and was about to ask you the same thing. You may want to email CS and ask if they have any findings since you sent it in at Sals request. GL and let us know what happens please. I'm dying to find out.:thumbup:
 
I received an e-mail from Spyderco telling me that my replacement was on the way.:D
Thanks Sal.

P.S. what did you find out?
 
Hey, just saw this, sucks to see that happened, extremley surprising too. Given that this was a second with no warrantly to speak of, I'm very impressed with how Sal handled this.
 
Sal Glesser said:
While lab tests are fine and they show much, there's nothing like "real world" testing to "improve the breed".

We'll use his knife to do just that on future Bushcraft models.

sal
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Mr.Glesser you are for sure a person of great class and dignity. The few words you posted in this thread and the linked thread were enough to increase my confidence in your company rather than question it over this isolated incident. Though I feel bad for "Savagesicslayer" and what happened to him with this particular knife I think the information here and the overall outcome is why most of us frequent these subforum threads. Cause and effect and end result. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one of these knives for a second after reading these threads....;)
 
babakanoosh45 said:
Mr.Glesser you are for sure a person of great class and dignity. The few words you posted in this thread and the linked thread were enough to increase my confidence in your company rather than question it over this isolated incident. Though I feel bad for "Savagesicslayer" and what happened to him with this particular knife I think the information here and the overall outcome is why most of us frequent these subforum threads. Cause and effect and end result. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one of these knives for a second after reading these threads....;)
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+2 :thumbup:
 
I came across this PDF on typical failures of knives due to user error while I was researching about the potential to baton Moras.

The failure of this Spyderco Bushcraft UK knife looks to be typical of a type that occurs when the blade is not held level in the piece of wood being split, according to what the document linked below says.

http://www.barkriverknives.com/docs/batoning.pdf

I'm not saying the design of the knife isn't partly to blame here, nor am I blaming the knife. I'm also not implying the OP used improper technique.

I'm just presenting another person's viewpoint on what can happen to any knife being batoned.
 
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Sal Glesser said:
While lab tests are fine and they show much, there's nothing like "real world" testing to "improve the breed".

We'll use his knife to do just that on future Bushcraft models.

sal
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Wow. This response is so "right" that it's almost unbelievable.

However, the fact that it's coming from Sal himself makes it very believable. :thumbup:

Thank you Sal, and thank you Spyderco.

Best company in the world :)
 
dang man, thats a harsh break. Good thing they sent you a new one, even if it was a second.
 
A few shots of my replacement.
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Thanx for the kind words. We try.

Great pics Savage, thanx.

I decided that the major problem was the skeleton hole at the hilt. This reduced the amount of material capable of absornbing the hit. We'll be removing the first hole on the next run.

Thanx for the opportunity to "improve the breed".

sal
 
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