I'm finding statements online about the Linder knife company in Germany closing soon... Update: It's true...

[Legendary_Jarl]

Same dagger as your picture, except the handle doesn't have that center stripe.

As for what they are good for... They are daggers.
So, it's a weapon.
As for what I want it for... I collect things!

Well no doubt they are dangerous objects but I have a feeling most of these are ornamental as opposed to functional. I have seen a few antique daggers with needle point (e.g. this Albacete dagger I own) and they are pretty damn thick!

I think thickness helps tip strength.

This is a comparison of the Linder with my Gerber Mk 1:

Now check this cheap ornamental dagger(Wall hanger):

See what I mean? Not that it really matters because none of these will be used(hopefully). But I personally prefer to have functional daggers even if I just have them for display.

BTW this is another Linder dagger I own but I have it in a shadow box on the wall.

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

Well no doubt they are dangerous objects but I have a feeling most of these are ornamental as opposed to functional. I have seen a few antique daggers with needle point (e.g. this Albacete dagger I own) and they are pretty damn thick!

I think thickness helps tip strength.

This is a comparison of the Linder with my Gerber Mk 1:

Now check this cheap ornamental dagger(Wall hanger):

See what I mean? Not that it really matters because none of these will be used(hopefully). But I personally prefer to have functional daggers even if I just have them for display.

My two Linder Kris daggers have thicker blades than any of my other daggers.
Have there been thicker blades in history? Yes. But, these are like 6mm to 7mm thick, and that is not flimsy stock thickness by any means. These are pleasing to the eye, but that's been part of weaponry making since almost the beginning.

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

My two Linder Kris daggers have thicker blades than any of my other daggers.
Have there been thicker blades in history? Yes. But, these are like 6mm to 7mm thick, and that is not flimsy stock thickness by any means. These are pleasing to the eye, but that's been part of weaponry making since almost the beginning.

I was referring to the "regular" blade style Linder dagger, like the one you are waiting for and the stag handle one I posted. It is 4mm thick

The kris is indeed pretty thick as I'd expect for this style of dagger.

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

I was referring to the "regular" blade style Linder dagger, like the one you are waiting for and the stag handle one I posted. It is 4mm thick

The kris is indeed pretty thick as I'd expect for this style of dagger.

I don't know how thick the blade is on my incoming Linder standard Dagger, but it doesn't have to be a crowbar to be a functional dagger. Yes, there are and were thicker daggers than 4 to 6 mm thick, but 4 to 6 mm thick is not uncommon or unheard of in real edged weaponry.

I don't believe my incoming standard Linder Dagger specimen is going to be as thick as the two Linder Kris Daggers I have, but I also don't believe for a moment that it would not be fully functional for what Daggers are intended for if that was what it was being purchased for. Linder is not Marto or Gladius of Toledo Spain that are known for attractive wall hanging only blade objects, Linder makes and offers only real functional knives.

Btw, it's going to be a 1990's vintage Linder Dagger, and I believe it is a German made knife.
I believe the new or more recent vintage 'Perlex' Linder Daggers are very likely made in Asia under Linder contract, they usually not having Solingen or Germany marked anywhere on their blade.

I will chime back when I receive my incoming specimen to show whatever markings the blade may have on it.

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

I don't know how thick the blade is on my incoming Linder standard Dagger, but it doesn't have to be a crowbar to be a functional dagger. Yes, there are and were thicker daggers than 4 to 6 mm thick, but 4 to 6 mm thick is not uncommon or unheard of in real edged weaponry.

I don't believe my incoming standard Linder Dagger specimen is going to be as thick as the two Linder Kris Daggers I have, but I also don't believe for a moment that it would not be fully functional for what Daggers are intended for if that was what it was being purchased for. Linder is not Marto or Gladius of Toledo Spain that are known for attractive wall hanging only blade objects, Linder makes and offers only real functional knives.

Btw, it's going to be a 1990's vintage Linder Dagger, and I believe it is a German made knife.
I believe the new or more recent vintage 'Perlex' Linder Daggers are very likely made in Asia under Linder contract, they usually not having Solingen or Germany marked anywhere on their blade.

I will chime back when I receive my incoming specimen to show whatever markings the blade may have on it.

Yours might actually be a bigger dagger than mine(6'' blade as opposed to 5'' like mine). Those are thicker:

I certainly hope Linder didn't pull that crap because they list these daggers on their website as made in Solingen and if they are not actually made there that's pretty freaking dishonest and then I wouldn't be sorry they are going into oblivion.

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

Yours might actually be a bigger dagger than mine(6'' blade as opposed to 5'' like mine). Those are thicker:

I certainly hope Linder didn't pull that crap because they list these daggers on their website as made in Solingen and if they are not actually made there that's pretty freaking dishonest and then I wouldn't be sorry they are going into oblivion.

That one in the video seems to be exactly like the one I ordered. And yes, it was listed as having a 6" mirror polished blade.

What exactly is the wording found on your blade? Is Solingen or Germany marked on it? If not, then it was not made by Linder at their facility, instead it was contracted to be made outside of Germany.

There was a video done up by a now defunct online knife vendor/knife importer, (I think it was called 'World of Knives'), that showed an interview with the owner of Linder. He pretty much said that the practice of making knives in Solingen Germany was pretty limited, and not just by Linder, but by other cutleries too. That much was outsourced to companies outside of Germany.

Most knife folks have likely noticed that a lot of German brand knives that have been imported from Germany, will not have country of origin on the knife. If it does not have country of origin, or if it has something like "German Steel" (or something similar), it means it was not produced in Germany.

Sadly, we have been seeing American brands pulling similar trickery, where the knife has no marking for it's country of origin. They have obviously found a loophole in the law that allows them to pass customs and such, but get sanitized of any country of origin before getting to the consumer of such goods in the USA.

No country of origin is almost a definite "made somewhere we're not proud of" situation.

Because of this, and other modern day tricks that companies seem to be more and more on board with doing, is the reason I have decided that my Linder Snakewood Kris Dagger will very likely be my last new production knife purchase.
I will still consider vintage knives that are 30 or more years old, but pass on anything newer than that. Of course I am a very picky sorts when it comes to adding in new specimens to my collection, so any vintage knife I purchase will have to be in minty to new condition.
I have enjoyed buying the vintage knives more in recent years, and now it will likely be my only source for any further acquisition of knives for my collection.

 

[Jim malone]

This is the email i received today from Linder Germany.

"Hi Jim,

thank you for your inquiry. Yes, it is true, we will close oiur business end of this month.

Kind regards,
Stephan Rosenkaimer"

This comes directly from Linder Germany. I don't know if they will sell off their remaining stock but apparently the bussiness itself closes down on june 30. Sad

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

This is the email i received today from Linder Germany.

"Hi Jim,

thank you for your inquiry. Yes, it is true, we will close oiur business end of this month.

Kind regards,
Stephan Rosenkaimer"

This comes directly from Linder Germany. I don't know if they will sell off their remaining stock but apparently the bussiness itself closes down on june 30. Sad

Thank you, Sir, for getting ahold of the definitive answer on this.

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

That one in the video seems to be exactly like the one I ordered. And yes, it was listed as having a 6" mirror polished blade.

What exactly is the wording found on your blade? Is Solingen or Germany marked on it? If not, then it was not made by Linder at their facility, instead it was contracted to be made outside of Germany.

There was a video done up by a now defunct online knife vendor/knife importer, (I think it was called 'World of Knives'), that showed an interview with the owner of Linder. He pretty much said that the practice of making knives in Solingen Germany was pretty limited, and not just by Linder, but by other cutleries too. That much was outsourced to companies outside of Germany.

Most knife folks have likely noticed that a lot of German brand knives that have been imported from Germany, will not have country of origin on the knife. If it does not have country of origin, or if it has something like "German Steel" (or something similar), it means it was not produced in Germany.

Sadly, we have been seeing American brands pulling similar trickery, where the knife has no marking for it's country of origin. They have obviously found a loophole in the law that allows them to pass customs and such, but get sanitized of any country of origin before getting to the consumer of such goods in the USA.

No country of origin is almost a definite "made somewhere we're not proud of" situation.

Because of this, and other modern day tricks that companies seem to be more and more on board with doing, is the reason I have decided that my Linder Snakewood Kris Dagger will very likely be my last new production knife purchase.
I will still consider vintage knives that are 30 or more years old, but pass on anything newer than that. Of course I am a very picky sorts when it comes to adding in new specimens to my collection, so any vintage knife I purchase will have to be in minty to new condition.
I have enjoyed buying the vintage knives more in recent years, and now it will likely be my only source for any further acquisition of knives for my collection.

I remember World of Knives, they used to sell the Reggie Cooper Fairbairn Sykes. I visited that site a few times and oftern wondered what happened to it.

Before you do discard production knives check out Joker from the motherland if you haven't done so already . These ones do say Made in Spain.

This is the email i received today from Linder Germany.

"Hi Jim,

thank you for your inquiry. Yes, it is true, we will close oiur business end of this month.

Kind regards,
Stephan Rosenkaimer"

This comes directly from Linder Germany. I don't know if they will sell off their remaining stock but apparently the bussiness itself closes down on june 30. Sad

Maybe you can ask him where my freaking dagger was actually made

 

[Jim malone]

I researched this before and only those Linder knives that have Linder and Germany on the blade are German Solingen manufacturing.

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

I remember World of Knives, they used to sell the Reggie Cooper Fairbairn Sykes. I visited that site a few times and oftern wondered what happened to it.

Before you do discard production knives check out Joker from the motherland if you haven't done so already . These ones do say Made in Spain.

Maybe you can ask him where my freaking dagger was actually made

I have a few Joker knives, a Bowie type called 'Zorro', and two folding Navaja type pocket knives. All three seem quite skimpy in their blade thickness. So much so that it gives them a mickey mouse look and feel in hand. So, the three Jokers I have are enough for representations of the company.

I have something like 20 or so daggers in my collection, so the type is also decently represented within my collection

I purchased a few knives from World of Knives before they went under. Two of them were Forge De Laguiole folding Laguiole knives. One was for myself, and the other I purchased for my Son in Law.

The pic you show of the Linder Dagger, shows no place of origin (no Soligen or Germany marking on that blade), so, they had it made outside of Germany. That model usually sells from 70 to 80 dollars online, and that in itself hints it as not being German made, since their German made products are priced higher to cover their higher cost of manufacturing in Germany.

 

[goldie]

Wow,Rosenkaimer has owned Linder for many years; I remember in the 80s there was a series of Kriss daggers very ornate all marked PPR for Peter Paul Rosenkaimer....

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

I have a few Joker knives, a Bowie type called 'Zorro', and two folding Navaja type pocket knives. All three seem quite skimpy in their blade thickness. So much so that it gives them a mickey mouse look and feel in hand. So, the three Jokers I have are enough for representations of the company.

I have something like 20 or so daggers in my collection, so the type is also decently represented within my collection

I purchased a few knives from World of Knives before they went under. Two of them were Forge De Laguiole folding Laguiole knives. One was for myself, and the other I purchased for my Son in Law.

The pic you show of the Linder Dagger, shows no place of origin (no Soligen or Germany marking on that blade), so, they had it made outside of Germany. That model usually sells from 70 to 80 dollars online, and that in itself hints it as not being German made, since their German made products are priced higher to cover their higher cost of manufacturing in Germany.

Check this out:

World Knives: Linder Knives - Bowie, Hunting & Pocket Knives For Sale

Linder knives of Solingen, Germany produces and distributes a large variety of excellent high quality blades. As with most manufacturers Linder...

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Cool blast from the past huh? When you click on the blade blank that corresponds to the daggers I have it says it is made in Solingen. So who knows.

I have been researching the old website. It was in 2013 when they changed the page drastically and added that note on some knives made in Asia. It also seems they went out of business in 2018.

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

Means these two could be made in the PRC for all I know. Quite upsetting.

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

Means these two could be made in the PRC for all I know. Quite upsetting.

Yes, those two are very likely to have been made in China

My mini Nicker pattern knife pictured here doesn't have a country of origin, but I found a company name on the sheath's leather strap button snap that I tracked to being made in Spain. It's pretty obvious to me that if Linder had contracted China to make the knife, that it's sheath would have been made in China as well. But, with the sheath having been sourced from Spain, I'm pretty confident that the knife was made in Spain as well. I know that it's very nicely made, but it's not German.
It seems Linder contracted cutleries in Spain and other nations to make certain Linder branded knives for them, but it also seems the much lower cost to have them made in China, had them eventually go to China for most, if not all of their outsourced stuff.



This other Linder I have, a mini Bowie, is also not a German made knife. Although it's also well made, I would guess this one was made in China...



You may have read my posting about a CRKT Stinger Dagger that I purchased thinking it was made in Taiwan, (which I am okay with), but my specimen came with no country of origin on the knife and is likely made in China, which is a bummer for me.

I feel that now that USA based cutlery brands have started doing this here and there, that it will become commonplace.
Again, too much trickery seems to be taking place, so I am done with current production knives, but will still consider the occasional vintage knife acquisition.

My collection is large enough now anyway, and I have obtained most of the knives that I ever wanted.
I use my eclectic collection as a big part of my personal dwelling' home decor.
I look around, and the items make me smile

But, it gets to a point where one sometimes says to oneself... "I'm more than sufficiently satisfied with what I already have"... And, I truly believe I've reached that point

No reason for me to stop perusing the wares at local flea markets and such, since an occasional treasure may still be found and I could convince myself of acquiring such a thing, but, for the most part, I'm good with what I have

 

[Lodd]

This is the email i received today from Linder Germany.

"Hi Jim,

thank you for your inquiry. Yes, it is true, we will close oiur business end of this month.

Kind regards,
Stephan Rosenkaimer"

This comes directly from Linder Germany. I don't know if they will sell off their remaining stock but apparently the bussiness itself closes down on june 30. Sad

Thank you for getting the word on this. I am saddened though. Even though I have only one Linder knife (I discovered them quite recently) I have been turned into a fan and was planning to buy more.

It doesn't look like anything was said about the reason for closing. Do you know anything?

 

[PocketKnifeJimmy]

I wonder if it's simply the changing of the times.
I mean, they were basically known for traditional knives, and in a world where the knife trends are heavily leaning towards the more modern, (in styling, handle materials, and specialty steels). The traditional knife buying crowd is shrinking, and without that demand, the businesses are forced to either adapt to the new market, or face having to shrink or close their business.
Just a guess, but likely a very plausible one

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

Yes, those two are very likely to have been made in China

My mini Nicker pattern knife pictured here doesn't have a country of origin, but I found a company name on the sheath's leather strap button snap that I tracked to being made in Spain. It's pretty obvious to me that if Linder had contracted China to make the knife, that it's sheath would have been made in China as well. But, with the sheath having been sourced from Spain, I'm pretty confident that the knife was made in Spain as well. I know that it's very nicely made, but it's not German.
It seems Linder contracted cutleries in Spain and other nations to make certain Linder branded knives for them, but it also seems the much lower cost to have them made in China, had them eventually go to China for most, if not all of their outsourced stuff.

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This other Linder I have, a mini Bowie, is also not a German made knife. Although it's also well made, I would guess this one was made in China...

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You may have read my posting about a CRKT Stinger Dagger that I purchased thinking it was made in Taiwan, (which I am okay with), but my specimen came with no country of origin on the knife and is likely made in China, which is a bummer for me.

I feel that now that USA based cutlery brands have started doing this here and there, that it will become commonplace.
Again, too much trickery seems to be taking place, so I am done with current production knives, but will still consider the occasional vintage knife acquisition.

My collection is large enough now anyway, and I have obtained most of the knives that I ever wanted.
I use my eclectic collection as a big part of my personal dwelling' home decor.
I look around, and the items make me smile

But, it gets to a point where one sometimes says to oneself... "I'm more than sufficiently satisfied with what I already have"... And, I truly believe I've reached that point

No reason for me to stop perusing the wares at local flea markets and such, since an occasional treasure may still be found and I could convince myself of acquiring such a thing, but, for the most part, I'm good with what I have

I fear they import multiple components from all over and then just finish the assembly of the knife. Sheath might be from Spain but blade could be from Pakistan. Who knows. Pretty damn dishonest IMO. I don't even know if I should even believe the Solingen stamp on my PPR dagger. Kinda fishy the story that "oh yeah we found a large batch of blades from 1992 that has lasted 30 years and we put it to use". Really?

I wonder if it's simply the changing of the times.
I mean, they were basically known for traditional knives, and in a world where the knife trends are heavily leaning towards the more modern, (in styling, handle materials, and specialty steels). The traditional knife buying crowd is shrinking, and without that demand, the businesses are forced to either adapt to the new market, or face having to shrink or close their business.
Just a guess, but likely a very plausible one

A lot of people appreciate traditional designs. As I have grown older I prefer them to the tactical crap I liked in my youth. I think it is just that in a globalized market is hard to compete against cheap labor from the PRC.

 

[Lodd]

I fear they import multiple components from all over and then just finish the assembly of the knife. Sheath might be from Spain but blade could be from Pakistan. Who knows. Pretty damn dishonest IMO. I don't even know if I should even believe the Solingen stamp on my PPR dagger. Kinda fishy the story that "oh yeah we found a large batch of blades from 1992 that has lasted 30 years and we put it to use". Really?



A lot of people appreciate traditional designs. As I have grown older I prefer them to the tactical crap I liked in my youth. I think it is just that in a globalized market is hard to compete against cheap labor from the PRC.

The german version of their site is pretty honest. They have a menu option for 'knives made from Solingen' and one for 'KNives from all over the world'. Also Lamnia does give Pakistan as a country of origin on a few knives I looked at. For me a reason to skip the knife, but at least they were honest. My own Linder knife says made in Solingen and 440C and the performance is really good, so I don't think it's cheap chinese steel that has something wrong with it.

Honestly, I have no reason to doubt them, but you do have to do some research to find out where your knife came from.

 

[Legendary_Jarl]

The german version of their site is pretty honest. They have a menu option for 'knives made from Solingen' and one for 'KNives from all over the world'. Also Lamnia does give Pakistan as a country of origin on a few knives I looked at. For me a reason to skip the knife, but at least they were honest. My own Linder knife says made in Solingen and 440C and the performance is really good, so I don't think it's cheap chinese steel that has something wrong with it.

Honestly, I have no reason to doubt them, but you do have to do some research to find out where your knife came from.

Read the messages above. Apparently if it is not marked with Solingen or Germany anywhere on the blade, it was actually made in another country. Out of all the Linder knives I have only 2 say Solingen or Germany. The daggers I have are listed as made in Solingen on their website. But what does that really mean? Is it just assembled there or is it actually ground, heat treated, etc.?

I asked but they have not answered my communications for a long time.