Im new and i need help.

[thedmasterr]

Maybe a little fixed blade? (depending on your local knife laws, of course)

An Izula would be pretty handy and would last you a very very very very very long time.

 

[Cardiackid]

I'm just anal about my folders being 100% legal... after reading some excerpts from trial decisions, police reports and CBSA judgements I want to make sure my knives are 100% non-flickable if I run into a police officer or something.

I don't really want to hijack this thread, but when you flip open your knife with your wrist, you are not using centrifugal force or gravity. You are using inertial force. Anyone who has taken high school physics knows an object in motion tends to stay in motion. You are inflicting an outside force on the handle while the blade stays in motion. You dont need to do this in a circular motion to make it open. Unfortunately, most cops haven't taken high school physics. If you give them a reason to mess with you, they will. I would work on not pissing off the cops and not worry so much about my knives.

 

[sideways]

Box cutter

 

[Torm]

True, but I've never heard of an instance where a police officer in Canada has done a handle-drop on a knife. The law says the blade must open automatically by the application of centrifugal force, and touching the blade would not be an "automatic" opening of the blade since your hand would be pulling it. I keep them tight enough that I can't fling them open with any level of force when holding the handle... sometimes a pain, by it gives me peace of mind. Each to his own.

Just an FYI, flippers, Speedsafe, and similar opening blades are perfectly legal in Canada. As long as it isn't a switchblade, butterfly knife, punch dagger, or something that looks more like a fighting than utility knife any blade is legal to carry here up north in the city or rural areas. Blades opening by centrifugal force isn't something you really need to be too concerned about up here. It's just a matter of common sense for the most part. Yes, although it's legal to carry a large fixed blade in a city (unconcealed), it is obviously going to attract more attention than a smaller blade choice for that particular environment.

To the original poster: A Spyderco Delica or Tenacious or a Kershaw Scallion/Leek would both be a good start. Benchmade also has a ton of great blades to choose from.

 

[hiwa]

I used to cut 50-100 boxes a day. An Olfa L yellow handle utility knife and a box of 50 ultra-sharp blades ( the black ones) will outcut any folder. One blade lasted me 2 days or more. All my other regular folding knives packed it in before lunch. It's the wafer thin blade that makes the difference , plus you can snap off blades to get a new tip/edge.

http://www.uline.ca/images/product/Large/H_711_L.jpg ( knife)

http://www.olfa.com/BladesDetail.aspx?C=3&Id=21 ( blades)

 

[Dorito Monk]

I used to cut 50-100 boxes a day. An Olfa L yellow handle utility knife and a box of 50 xtra-sharp blades ( the black ones) will outcut any folder. One blade lasted me 2 days. All my other regular folding knives packed it in before lunch. It's the wafer thin blade that makes the difference , plus you can snap off blades to get a new tip/edge.

http://www.uline.ca/images/product/Large/H_711_L.jpg ( knife)

Yep. You're absolutely right.

Honestly, the good old Olfa is probably the best choice out there for pure cutting tasks. I like fancy knives, and I get good use out of the ones I have, but they all crap out when you have to cut fibreglass insulation, score drywall, cut acousitc ceiling tiles, open bags of quikrete... a sturdy snap-off knife is really the only choice when you have to cut things like that, if for no other reason than because you are able to replace the blade instantly when it gets dull. I don't care what supersteel a knife is made of, difficult cutting tasks will turn it into nothing more than a really expensive butterknife.

Now, I get the feeling that OP is looking for something with a little more cool-factor than an Olfa, and that's easy to accomodate, too. I used my folders instead of box cutters when I used to work nights at a warehouse, cutting and breaking down cardboard boxes all night. A lot of them stand up to a day or two's worth of that work just fine (the ones I had in 13c26 seemed to hold up fine for one or two shifts, for example), but some of the poorer steels do crap out pretty quickly (440a, 420HC, and 8cr13MoV for example).

If you want a knife that's got neat features but can still hold up to a day's work, I'd avoid the Tenacious, Scallion, Buck 110, etc. - They might be good knives, but in my experience, the steels they use are really not up to doing large quantities of cutting. There are plenty of knives with decent steels that aren't too expensive, though - I'd check out Kershaw knives with 14c28, like the RAM, Blur, Skyline, etc. Goosey's recommendation of the Delica in VG10 would be a solid choice, too.

 

[Goosey]

I don't really want to hijack this thread, but when you flip open your knife with your wrist, you are not using centrifugal force or gravity. You are using inertial force.

This is true (centrifugal force technically doesn't really exist) but the courts take a dim view of that argument. I believe it's already been ruled that a "layman's definition" of centrifugal force was the intention of the law.

Just an FYI, flippers, Speedsafe, and similar opening blades are perfectly legal in Canada. As long as it isn't a switchblade, butterfly knife, punch dagger, or something that looks more like a fighting than utility knife any blade is legal to carry here up north in the city or rural areas. Blades opening by centrifugal force isn't something you really need to be too concerned about up here. It's just a matter of common sense for the most part.

You probably won't get in trouble, true, and flippers and Speedsafe knives are legal... except they tend to be easily centrifugally opened, and that is technically illegal... I prefer to err on the side on caution and avoid the possibility of a prohibited weapons charge.

Read some of these trial decision excerpts...

On his conviction for possession of a prohibited weapon, the appellant argues that the trial judge erred in finding that the buck knife opened by centrifugal force. We disagree. The trial judge was entitled to rely on the officer’s demonstration: see R. v. Phillips (1978), 44 C.C.C. (2d) 548 (Ont. C.A.). Accordingly, the appeal from this conviction must also fail.

The appeal is therefore dismissed.

The officer demonstrated how the knife could be opened by centrifugal force. It is this demonstration that is the subject of criticism by counsel for Tuan Nguyen. I agree that there was a certain overly dramatic, thespian quality to this performance. But I do not conclude, as counsel would have me, that the demonstration amounted to an indication that an ordinary person, without some expertise, could not open the knife by centrifugal force. I am satisfied that the knife is one that is prohibited by law.

A small folding knife was located in a pouch conspicuously attached to Puddy's belt. The knife was found to open through the application of centrifugal force, thereby bringing it within the statutory definition of a prohibited weapon.

PC Bishop was the only witness called by the Crown in this case. He was the officer who found the knives. I have seen PC Bishop flick the knife open by flicking the handle with his wrist and I successfully did the same. There is no question that the blade of the knife opens by centrifugal force and therefore fits within the section 84(1) definition.

Awad handed the knife to Clarke at the wagon. He opened the knife blade using only centrifugal force on three occasions, leading him to conclude that it was therefor a prohibited weapon. He then advised the defendant of his arrest for breaching the peace, possession of a prohibited weapon and possession of a weapon at a public meeting, and read him his rights to counsel, including the provision of a duty counsel 1-800 number. Clarke, while testifying, demonstrated the manner in which he centrifugally opened the knife-blade using a strong flick of his wrist while holding the knife’s handle.

In the course of the search the knife that became the subject of the charge was found in a pocket on the left leg of the appellant's trousers. It was described as a lock blade knife with a steel blade approximately 8 cm. in length. Apparently the blade could be opened automatically by the application of centrifugal force.

This knife can easily be opened by centrifugal force created by a “flicking” motion of the wrist using a straight or an inverted grip. The exhibit meets the definition of a Prohibited Weapon described in S. 84 C.C.C

 

[Torm]

Those excerpts are highly unlikely to be the norm in a court case since folders are specifically legal, and anyone with remotely competent legal representation would have a field day with it. Speedsafe and other similar mechanisms open by pushing on the blade which the courts have decided is not the same as the "button on a handle" described in the law. This is a likely non-issue unless there are other factors at play, like being caught doing something shady and then a weapons charge is just added to the list of other charges. As long as a knife has a legitimate utility function and isn't being carried for self-defence in Canada then most things are allowed and police are fairly easygoing. The more overtly tacticool a blade is, however, the tougher it is to explain it as utilitarian. So if its a regular carry item it may be worth avoiding blacked out blades, camouflage, needless serrations or spikes, etc.

 

[Goosey]

Those excerpts are highly unlikely to be the norm in a court case since folders are specifically legal, and anyone with remotely competent legal representation would have a field day with it. Speedsafe and other similar mechanisms open by pushing on the blade which the courts have decided is not the same as the "button on a handle" described in the law. This is a likely non-issue unless there are other factors at play, like being caught doing something shady and then a weapons charge is just added to the list of other charges. As long as a knife has a legitimate utility function and isn't being carried for self-defence in Canada then most things are allowed and police are fairly easygoing. The more overtly tacticool a blade is, however, the tougher it is to explain it as utilitarian. So if its a regular carry item it may be worth avoiding blacked out blades, camouflage, needless serrations or spikes, etc.

Mmm hmm, I'm not sure where folders have been stated to be specifically legal, the law states any knife which opens in certain manners is illegal, and most all modern folders are capable, without adjustment, of opening in the said illegal way.

Some guy on RedFlagDeals had police check out his Sanrenmu 710:

I remember when the police took the knife from me, the officer and his friend tried to flick the knife open many times, but they couldn't. It's not because it couldn't be done, I had that thing so loose and so lubed, they just had poor skill and were rotating their wrist too much (not in the perfect direction of the flick) for it to open.

Like you said, they were there for other reasons (gun trafficking charges), but it IS DEFINITELY something Canadians should be aware of. It's in the law, and police DO use it.

Excerpt from memorandum issued to RCMP departments:

(b) Centrifugal knife (folding knife, butterfly knife, balisong knife) – A centrifugal knife is one that opens automatically through the use of centrifugal force. Centrifugal force may be defined as a force, arising from the body's inertia, which appears to act on a body moving in a circular path and is directed away from the centre around which the body is moving. That is, centrifugal force is established when the blade of the knife may be opened with the flick of the wrist. Note that extra manipulation and a requirement for some skill to release the blade do not prevent a knife from being a prohibited weapon.

 

[Torm]

Mmm hmm, I'm not sure where folders have been stated to be specifically legal, the law states any knife which opens in certain manners is illegal, and most all modern folders are capable, without adjustment, of opening in the said illegal way.

Some guy on RedFlagDeals had police check out his Sanrenmu 710:



Like you said, they were there for other reasons (gun trafficking charges), but it IS DEFINITELY something Canadians should be aware of. It's in the law, and police DO use it.

It isn't actually something a Canadian (or visitor) needs to worry about and comes across as a little paranoid about the wording of that law and how it applies to a gravity knife. In actual fact, Canada has very lenient knife laws that allow a person to carry almost anything they'd like, subject to very few restrictions (fighting knives, butterflies, push daggers, and switchblades, as mentioned previously). Knives are not viewed as weapons under Canadian law unless carried for self defence or used to intimidate or assault another person. Unless one of the aforementioned criteria is met knives are viewed legally as a tool and, as such, can be carried by anyone who has valid reason to use that tool. The exceptions to that based on location are when carrying to a public meeting (this has been held to apply to pubs/bars before) or to a courthouse or other government building. An important note is that a knife should not be carried concealed at any time up here as that is much more likely to cause an issue if discovered.

My own experience is that I've carried one or more folders or fixed blades daily, as has everyone in my social circle has since being kids. Personally, thats been three provinces lived in plus a half a dozen major cities in addition to travelling around the country a fair bit. I also study criminal justice and have a large number of colleagues who work in law enforcement and corrections and it just isn't the common issue you are worried about it being. It's alright if you want to be overcautious but to lead others to believe that police are likely to seize a pocket knife and charge someone carrying one is not very helpful, nor is the scenario one that is likely to happen unless other factors are at play. If those types of charges were laid even remotely regularly then there would be far fewer people carrying knives and far fewer places able to sell them (see NYC or London for examples). The fact is that the Crown (prosecutors) don't often lay charges even when laws have obviously been broken, let alone a grey-area case like what is being discussed here.

Back on topic: Carry a blade that looks like a tool and use it as such. If you ever end up in a discussion with an LEO about it then be respectful and straightforward. If that is kept in mind then a person isn't going to run into a problem carrying a knife in Canada.

 

[kaosu04]

If you're in Canada you need a legal knife, any knife that can open with centrifugal force is technically as illegal as any switchblade, punch dagger, or heck, a spiked morning star flail.

Shame about the flail. I find mine opens boxes much easier and quicker than any of my knives. Finding a proper sheath for it can be difficult though.

 

[bpeezer]

Shame about the flail. I find mine opens boxes much easier and quicker than any of my knives. Finding a proper sheath for it can be difficult though.

:thumbup:

 

[Darkfiremat]

actually what i like about the flipper is that it only take one hand to open and with a frame lock only take 1 hand to close you dont always have the time to use both hands that why i liked the frame lock and flipper but im curious about how an axis lock work plus my friend told me of a box cutter that "automatic" i think i might go for that but i think im still gonna get one of the knife someone propose to me in the beggining i really love the look of the skyline and the flipper look great on it too thank you all for your advice

i dont know if i should make a new thread for it or if there is already one but could someone tell me the difference between diamond sharpeners, whetstone and carbide+ceramic if there is a thread just give me the link please

sorry for my english i know it not always perfect