Important news! Report from shop 2.

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We talked to Kami over the weekend and here's the progress report from shop 2.

It is now organized well enough so that Kami is taking two weeks to go home to the Solu Khumbu and make arrangements to build a new gompa next to his home. The old one was badly damaged by a recent earthquake. Son Gelbu will be running the shop in his absence.

The kamis in shop 2 have reverted to a method of forging that was used by their grandfathers. I don't think this method of manufacture has been used in Nepal for maybe 40 years except in rare instances in the villages when the kamis were trying to make a top notch khukuri. It involves rubbing the blade with some kind of "magic" stone during the forging process. What this stone is I still don't know but I'm trying to find out. My guess is it is some type stone that imparts small grains of sand or some other material to the blade which is pounded into the steel during the forging -- maybe a higher silicon content or carbon content is the end result of the "magic" stone. I'm just not sure right now. However, the kamis swear this insures the blade will never break under any circumstances. And, who am I to argue with kamis who have a four or five hundred year tradition of knifemaking to their credit. Kami tells me these are the best lot of khukuris he has ever seen so I have to believe they are something special.

The khukuris from shop 2 are also blessed with a slight Buddhist variation. Rather than the blood letting, Kami breaks an egg as a sacrifice to Kali. Being an 8 year Gurkha vet he is qualified to impart the Gurkha blessing to the khukuris. I will have to find out if the kamis spill a little of their blood on the blades.

Since the six master kamis in shop 2 are all village kamis who have come to Kathmandu to get rich they want to make some village knives right in shop 2. They estimate they can make 10 per day of various styles and sizes. When everything goes absolutely right they can produce a single HI khukuri in a day. I told them to go for it and make 20 villagers from shop 2.

Now for the best news of all. Kami wants to get some shop 2 khukuris into the field for heavy use and would like feedback from customers -- any suggestions for improvement will be much appreciated and he wants to know if the "magic" stone helps. In order to get fifty or so into use Kami told me to discount the knives $50 per knife until the reports are in -- except the chandan handled khukuris. So, anybody wanting a shop 2 khukuri for a fifty dollar savings email me now. Our first shipment which should arrive this week has only 13 khukuris, 4 of them the chandan handled models.

That's all until next week.

Uncle Bill

 
Uncle Bill.
Any idea as to what may be coming in besides the 4 Chandan handled
blades ?
I might be interested in one of those made with the "magic stone."


It is really good to see things coming along so well with shop #2 and I am just a newcomer.I know that many others have been waiting for this much longer than me.
Too bad about the earthquake damage,but I will bet Kami will enjoy the break even if there is more hard work involved.


Thanks Uncle Bill.
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Uncle Bill,

It's good to be home after a long absence.

I noticed you've been doing some crazy things in Shop 2. What style khukuris have you got with the "magic stones?"

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No, I was never lost. But I was mighty bewildered one time for three days.

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Below is a picture of Kami's home. 1 is the gompa which may have to come down if the damage is too great. 2 is Kami's home. 3 is Kamis' parents home -- 15 rooms and now empty. If the gompa has to come down they may convert parent's house into gompa. The cultivated land around Kami's complex is his. And, he has a substantial amount of grazing land up on the mountain side that you can see in the background.

Khukuris from shop 2 that are still available are 15"AK and BAS. All were made using the "magic" stone. I have to try to find out exactly what these kamis are doing here.

Glad to see you back home, goat.

Uncle Bill

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Great picture, Bill.

I can imagine the eerie sounds of the great Nepalese/Tibetan horns wafting across the valley, calling people to the Gompa. What a shame that the big house is now empty.
 
Howard, it's a far outside chance but if Yangdu and I live long enough we may end up right in that big house. I hear there is electricity available now -- at least on a part time basis -- so with that and a dish I might still be in business there.

Uncle Bill
 
I just remembered something about the use of "magic" stones used during forging blades. Old Kancha Kami, Kami Sherpa's neighbor whose picture you can see on our websites, had a large stone (maybe 300 pounds) outside his shop and during forging he would take the heated blade and swipe it along this stone at various stages of forging. I always throught this was just part of keeping the blade clean and straight but now I'm wondering if this big stone was a "magic" stone.

Uncle Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 03 June 1999).]
 
Bill: What is a gompa? I assume it is a place where the kamis do their work? And also, when the kamis use the magic stone, do they rub it against the surface or beat it against the surface?

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Gompa is a Buddhist temple. The one in the picture is a private temple built by Kamis' family but often had a lama (or several) in residence when there were more folks around. It also served as temporary housing for Tibetan refugees fleeing the communist takeover in Tibet. I hope it doesn't have to come down but it had no supporting inner walls so I fear for the worst. I made a mistake in the orginal post and should have said "repair" rather than rebuild. I misunderstood and Yangdu corrected me. If the gompa is beyond repair it will come down and all the Buddhist trapping will be placed in the grandparents old house.

Kami said the kamis "rub" the blade during the forging process. Old Kancha Kami actually rubbed his big stone with the blade, holding it with tongs since it was much too hot to handle while he was doing this process -- whatever it might have been.

I want to find out exactly what type stone is used and why the kamis believe that by using the stone the blade becomes unbreakable. They think the stone is magic but if it improves the strength of the blade I'm inclined to believe that rather than some magical spell of some kind it adds silicon or carbon content to the steel. Steel experts any guesses?

Uncle Bill




[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 04 June 1999).]
 
I'm not sure I believe rubbing a blade on a rock during the forging could add silica aka silicon oxide aka quartz to the steel. I can imagine all kinds of things it could be adding -- again I'm not sure I believe it, but just speculating, there are all kinds of things present in rocks of one kind or another. I wouldn't expect it to add carbon unless this rock is coal or graphite (or contains graphite, some do) and anyway there are easier ways to add carbon, but everything that's added to steel comes from rocks originally so it could be anything -- if it's really adding anything.

It would be interesting to find out what kind of rock it is. Until we find that out I don't think guessing is going to get us very far. Even then ... if it turns out that kind of rock or mineral isn't made of anything that could improve steel, it could still have impurities that could....

I dunno. At this point I don't think we can say it's superstition with any confidence. I guess the only way to find out for sure is to analyse the steel. Of course testing the blades should reveal whether they're improved or not, and if we can find out what kind of rock it is that's likely to help....

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Now there's an idea! How about doing some testing to find out if it really does do anything to the steel? You have me wondering if there is something to it or not.

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
I just talked to a knifemaker this morning about this magic rock and he said he thought it might be work hardening the steel. He knows more than I do. I think I will ask Kami to send me a little piece of the magic rock and then we can all take a look at it and revise our guesses.

Cougar and Tom, George Bell of Bell Fiber Products, Chicago, sent four of our khukuris to a lab for steel analysis and the results indicated a higher silicon content in the HI blades than might be expected for spring steel. I attributed this to forging in an open forge on a dirt floor. These four were not made using the magic stone. Again, I don't know if this is good or bad. Flight Test Engineers didn't have to know anything about steel -- I didn't and still don't.

All I know for sure is in 11 years of field use the only blade failure I've heard about was 1/4 inch gone off the tip of an 18th Century model -- this blade was hatchmarked and I believe it was the deformation due to hatchmarking that caused this failure so I told the kamis not to hatchmark future blades on the 18th Century. I could be wrong about this, too.

Uncle Bill
 
I have no idea of what it might physically do, but I do know that I have heard of much stranger things in other trades. Bottom line - if the kamis think that it will make a better blade, odds are high that it will simply because they think it is so.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, I came to that same conclusion. If the kami "thinks" he is making a blade that will never fail chances are he will put the effort into it to make it come out exactly that way.

Uncle Bill
 
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