Impromptu Thrashing

Nice to see someone beating the snot out of an expensive knife. I am surprised so few comments on this.

I remember reading on some forum about the right and the wrong way to baton a kife so as not to break it. Doesn't sound like you followed those instructions, but the knife took it anyway:D
 
Cobalt
Great pics thanks for posting them.

I love this pic, reminds me of the fake arrows that people wear on their heads.

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BTW, where do you guys get these bowling pins at?
 
NuclearBossHog said:
Nice to see someone beating the snot out of an expensive knife. I am surprised so few comments on this.

I remember reading on some forum about the right and the wrong way to baton a kife so as not to break it. Doesn't sound like you followed those instructions, but the knife took it anyway:D
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Actually, it looks like he did. From what I know of batoning, if you angle the knife point upwards, you're far more likely to damage your blade. He kept it level it angled down, and rotated the pin to help facilitate his technique.

My thanks for the videos and photos. I see too many knives on these forums that have never been put to any sort of real durability tests. People that would shy away from using their knives on thick cardboard.

Be interesting to hear the company owners thoughts on this type of usage.
 
Vivi said:
Actually, it looks like he did. From what I know of batoning, if you angle the knife point upwards, you're far more likely to damage your blade. He kept it level it angled down, and rotated the pin to help facilitate his technique.
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Mike Stewart of BRK&T propogates this misinformation constantly to defend manufacturing defects in blades which break while batoning. The knife is actually under the maximum internal torque when it is horizontal and is thus easier to break the knife in that plane. The stress is actually minimized as it goes at an angle. The internal torque is just an action/reaction force from the contact force of the blade off the wood so they are maximized or minimized together.

The main source of internal stress on a knife comes from the combination of forces of your off hand pressing down on the handle and the baton pressing down on the tip and the knife being opposed by the wood. If you don't lean into the knife with your off hand then there will be little stress on the knife because the energy of the impact will just go to rotating it rather than moving it throug the wood. This makes it impossible to baton anything but clear wood efficiently. Even with heavy off hand pressure no knife of even moderate thickness is in any danger of breaking, the knives break because of defects in the steel/design.

From a user point of view what you have to watch out for are knots because where they make contact with the edge will act to maximize the internal torque so if you try to chisel cut through one right next to the choil then the torque on the tang will be great. Again though this is really only an issue with really thin knives made out of brittle steels and for them you are more concerned about rippling/chipping the edge and/or breaking the tip than cracking the tang.

-Cliff
 
Vivi said:
...I see too many knives on these forums that have never been put to any sort of real durability tests. People that would shy away from using their knives on thick cardboard.

Be interesting to hear the company owners thoughts on this type of usage.
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Well, Jerry himself has done live demonstrations at shows that exhibit the beating his knives can take. There are plenty of users on this forum so don't let all the safe queens eye candy fool you. As for what Jerry would think of splittling bowling pins with his product, I am betting he is laughing as there has to be a fire hydrant somewhere that Cobalt could have used instead. :D
 
NuclearBossHog said:
I am surprised so few comments on this.
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Not sure what more you want me to say:confused:


NuclearBossHog said:
I remember reading on some forum about the right and the wrong way to baton a kife so as not to break it. Doesn't sound like you followed those instructions, but the knife took it anyway:D
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Well, there may be a right or wrong way, but how many people really pay attention to that. And I find that kind of rediculous anyway.:thumbup:
 
Progunner said:
I am betting he is laughing as there has to be a fire hydrant somewhere that Cobalt could have used instead. :D
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yes, but I don't want to go to Jail for breaking a firehydrant.
 
Cobalt,

I tend to use my Basic #3 and a hammer for this sort of thing.

The Swamp Rat Knives excell it this sort of thing, Try it you'll like it.

Edge geometry makes a big difference as well,convex taking less damage and concave taking more.(in the knife you are using the edge of, the cutter)

Where the INFI does what other big knives do not relates to malliablity(Spelling?) Mash the edge down and you can still strop it with a crock stick or a steel or the back of another knife back out into place, pretty much like it never happened.

No other big knife that I know of can this be done with.
 
papathud said:
Cobalt,

I tend to use my Basic #3 and a hammer for this sort of thing.

The Swamp Rat Knives excell it this sort of thing, Try it you'll like it.
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Sorry, but here is where we differ. Swamp Rats are only good for spreading butter and hanging on Walls, I would never think of actually using one, please:rolleyes:
 
NuclearBossHog said:
Nice to see someone beating the snot out of an expensive knife.
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No doubt, me too. It's a beautiful thing to see a rediculously tough tool being used for rediculously difficult work. I can understand collecting things, but something feels wrong with keeping one of the world's toughest cutting tools locked away just so it will look nice... It's like buying a McLaren and never driving over the speed limit... Whatever floats your boat, i guess. When i got my first Ranger RD6 i had to see if it would chop a 3/4" steel pipe in half, and it was a lot easier and more painless than anticipated. I was thinking of choping a bicycle in half when my new HOG FSH gets here...next time i'll have to take pictures, though... Life is just too short not to enjoy using a piece of INFI it to its full potential (at least for me...)
OK dissertation over...
 
hara-kiri-yogi said:
No doubt, me too. It's a beautiful thing to see a rediculously tough tool being used for rediculously difficult work. I can understand collecting things, but something feels wrong with keeping one of the world's toughest cutting tools locked away just so it will look nice... It's like buying a McLaren and never driving over the speed limit... Whatever floats your boat, i guess. When i got my first Ranger RD6 i had to see if it would chop a 3/4" steel pipe in half, and it was a lot easier and more painless than anticipated. I was thinking of choping a bicycle in half when my new HOG FSH gets here...next time i'll have to take pictures, though... Life is just too short not to enjoy using a piece of INFI it to its full potential (at least for me...)
OK dissertation over...
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Yep, waiting for more:D
 
Schuey2002 said:
Cool vids, Cobalt! :thumbup:

Have you ever hit one knife with the other doing that?
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Since warranty is not an issue, the answer to that question is YES! It is nearly impossible to throw multiple knives without them hitting each other often. I don't do it as often as I use to. I also miss the target altogether. But that doesn't happen as often either. They probably hit each other about 1% of the time and I probably miss aout 1% of the time. The problem is that when you miss with 1.5 lbs of steel the consequences to whatever it hits are not likly to be good. Like flower pots smashed, deck lights broken, etc. :eek:

of course this is all conjecture since as Mrs. Cobalt knows, I do not throw my knives, that was all just digital animation:thumbup:
 
Cobalt said:
Sorry, but here is where we differ. Swamp Rats are only good for spreading butter and hanging on Walls, I would never think of actually using one, please:rolleyes:
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You're killing me, C! :eek: :D

My offer of $100.00 and a sack of non-rotten potatoes for that user SHBM stands. ;)
 
Would it be possible to get a picture of the damage to the spine of the Ontario from being chopped by the SHBM?
 
I was hoping you'd hit the other knife when throwing, would love to see what kind of damage it'd do (If any).
 
Cobalt said:
......The problem is that when you miss with 1.5 lbs of steel the consequences to whatever it hits are not likly to be good. Like flower pots smashed, deck lights broken, etc. :eek:

of course this is all conjecture since as Mrs. Cobalt knows, I do not throw my knives, that was all just digital animation:thumbup:
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LOL, you just ruin my laptop!

How many :thumbup: do you want? :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: ........... Keep those pics and vids coming please!

BTW, can you show us the bikes on the wall? Just don't chop them up in pieces :eek:
 
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