In Response to Mamun1024's latest thread

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We can't erase stereotypes and cultural sentiments, so why not just laugh them off and move on? I am a firm believer that nothing should be considered offensive unless it is intending to be. The intent behind something is much more important than the actual content. A perfect example are standup comedians. They cross pretty much every line you can imagine, but it's ok because of their intent (to entertain, no spread hate). I get so annoyed when someone in a group gets offended by someone else making an off color joke or saying something a bit insensitive when it is CLEARLY not directed at that person or in a hateful way. If those people put more energy and focus into being happy and comfortable, instead of uptight and angry all the time, they (and everyone) would be much better off.

I can guarantee the vast vast majority of "gangstas" would find this video hilarious. There is no hate to be found in this video. It is playing off a widely known stereotype as seen in real life and glorified in videos. Making the whole planet politically correct is playing to the lowest common denominator of sensitivity. And that bothers me. Just like all this gun control talk. 99% of legal gun owners are responsible with their weapons. But because that other 1% are irresponsible, we are facing how many gun control measures? I'm sure less than a few percent of people that watch that youtube video are offended by it, yet it was locked down, removed and no one else will enjoy the good laugh everyone else got to enjoy (except for that small percent of course). Lame.
 
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I certainly understand now that it's been explained Trev. No disrespect meant in my post. I am not a fan of hypocrisy (like you pointed out), and try not to participate in it. Sometimes unsuccessfully. In general though, I think getting offended is like being happy. It's a choice.
Good luck and God speed in all your endeavors Bro. You do a great job.
 
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Yeah thats right. The redneck from GA was offended for a multitude of reasons.
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I feel ya, brother!

Before I retired, I found myself one of two white engineers from Alabama Power Company sitting in a country club in a small town in Indiana, guests of a local electrical equipment manufacturer whose factory we were inspecting. we were with two of the manufacturing company marketing people, who were also white. (In fact, I saw not one black employee of this company the enire time we were there.) One of the marketers started telling what turned out to be a racist joke, which I objected to, taking him aback. The joke was offensive in itself, but also offensive was the apparent notion that the way to entertain two white guys from Alabama was with racist jokes. It was downright insulting!
 
Also, if you think any of the mods are unjust well then how and the heck am I here? I guess they arent so bad are they. :cool:

And for those that want to start oh yeah you been banned -twice:eek:

Yep I was. Want to waste the rest of your week go look it up. So here is the short and partly in my defense my first as much as it was ignorant to lambash mods which was totally my fault - I was new, didnt know better, and did so in defense of another HOG that I had never even met, Pubsy, an old hog cause someone put a pic in his thread and then put a link in his thread directing folks to their own sale thread for same knife:mad:


No, I didnt go and chit on another Hogs sales thread as others here have done and then hypocritically done worse with an inflated sale or sales later:rolleyes:

THen I later apologized and asked for it to be repealed and got banned. Well, I see now that I asked in the original offending thread and not tech support as I should, and my apology was taken as whining etc.

Later I got lambashed by a member here which was all lies and bs in another forum here. Well, due to above folks on bf believed him when all I had done was send them money in advance, and lend em my knives for awhile and the man hunt was on again cause I smarted off to a mod where I thought it was ok. Guess what it wasnt ok, and I see that now. You cant blatantly sass a mod anywhere on BF cause lord knows we eat enough chit sandwhiches for the benefit of all.

I wil say the infraction that I truly did deserve was when I went off on LVC cause I was drunker than a skunk and had 2/3rds a bottle of Fighting cock in my gut . I shouldnt have been standing much less posting.
I still manned up and apologized for my bad behavior. It was an auto ban with an expiring term due to the previously mentioned bad decisions that I made, and my ignorance of forums rules, my stupid pride, and arrogance.

So, with that being said. I also never volunteered for this modd position. I got a call from the Boss himself and was asked if I would help. Period. I could not, and will never say no to a friend that asks me for help. Its just that simple.:cool:

Lets drink! Lord knows I need one.
 
MikeH said:
I feel ya, brother!

Before I retired, I found myself one of two white engineers from Alabama Power Company sitting in a country club in a small town in Indiana, guests of a local electrical equipment manufacturer whose factory we were inspecting. we were with two of the manufacturing company marketing people, who were also white. (In fact, I saw not one black employee of this company the enire time we were there.) One of the marketers started telling what turned out to be a racist joke, which I objected to, taking him aback. The joke was offensive in itself, but also offensive was the apparent notion that the way to entertain two white guys from Alabama was with racist jokes. It was downright insulting!
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THanks Mike. I have had reverse racism on me due to being from South and having thick accent living around DC since I was around 18. Especially when I worked for The Washington Post from 1998-2012. I was 28 when I started and the looks I would get sometimes meeting a new person in the building and get- OH, your from the South. I could see and hear the disgust in their face and voice. For what? Nothing I had done as I was always yes ma'am /no ma'am.:mad:
 
This whole issue falls under the definition of "Political Correctness". There is suppose to be nothing political in this forum. Why is this still open?
Lets get along and move forward...
 
M67 said:
Neither is "urban"
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"Urban" carries racial elements due to the demographics of the phrase. If you live in an "Urban" area that's likely to be high crime, i.e. low income, your more likely to be a minority.

My point in all of this is not 'we shouldn't make fun of people holding a gun sideways and throwing bullets' because that's a ridiculous thing to be doing. My point is that saying 'well why are you getting upset over race? I don't intend there to be anything racial in it' doesn't remove the race element. There are two ways to read the video:
1 - isn't this grip stupid?
2 - isn't it funny when this subgroup of an often discriminated against minority does this?

It doesn't matter if the author intends it to be read as number 1, it kind of doesn't matter if he says "I intend this to be read like this", the joke can get read both ways the way it's phrased. As a moderator you get to decide how likely that nuance is to be exploited, how bad it's gonna be when it does, whether it follows the site rules, and whether it's worth locking.
 
Everyone, look, I saw this video and it made me laugh. I did not look at this video as something that is making fun of a race, ethnicity, religion or nationality. Just making fun of unsafe gun handling by gangsters. That is all.

Trevor, I am sorry that it offended you, You can be sure that I had no intention of being a racist or hypocrite. If you or anyone that found this post to be offensive and would have said so, in public or private, I would have certainly retracted the post and post an apology.
 
I just want to say we have great Mods, and SuperMods her at BF, and I really appreciate all they do.
I don't think we should disrespect any of them by talking about how they handle something.

Thanks Trever, Jaxx, and all of the other Mods on this site for the great work you do here:thumbup:
 
coldsilence55 said:
We can't erase stereotypes and cultural sentiments, so why not just laugh them off and move on?
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Because the experience of being discriminated against is terrible. Jokes about your class, gender, race and sexuality are often part of the discrimination. So joking about it later on feels a whole lot like the discrimination your joking about.

A gay man has his friend beaten to death for being gay from a group of guys who made fun of him with gay stereotyping jokes for months before beating him to death. A few weeks after the funeral he hears a joke about being gay from his friends. It gets one reaction. He then here's the same joke from a group of jocks that were similar to the ones who beat his friend to death, it's going to get a whole different level of reaction. But it's the same joke right? We should laugh off the stereotypes right? You don't get to erase the history of discrimination - and by that I mean up to and including being beaten to death - just so you can have fun and laugh about it.

Same goes for black linchings and a history of ghettos and poor neighborhoods being mostly filled with minorities. You don't get to erase the frustration, pain, suffering and death thats involved in that just so you can laugh about it in a joke.

I'm all for comedy, and honestly I find a lot of jokes about cultures I have no part of funny. But I'm not going to disregard or, worse still, deny the relevance of someones negative response to those jokes.




It isn't making fun of the grip style (that honestly does deserves to be made fun of). It's two middle class white guys making for of minority culture that leaves a bad taste in the mouth. For legitimate long standing reasons.
 
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Simply Amazing! I have worked and lived in SOCAL and in the deep South and I have still experienced more white boys acting as in the video than black. I am an Indian (red, not brown) and grew up in a n alternative lifestyle home and to top it off, I work in a very liberal school district. I still find humor in this kind of stuff. It's a matter of perception and a choice to be offended.
 
mymindisamob said:
I certainly understand now that it's been explained Trev. No disrespect meant in my post. I am not a fan of hypocrisy (like you pointed out), and try not to participate in it. Sometimes unsuccessfully. In general though, I think getting offended is like being happy. It's a choice.
Good luck and God speed in all your endeavors Bro. You do a great job.
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mymindisamob said:
Simply Amazing! I have worked and lived in SOCAL and in the deep South and I have still experienced more white boys acting as in the video than black. I am an Indian (red, not brown) and grew up in a n alternative lifestyle home and to top it off, I work in a very liberal school district. I still find humor in this kind of stuff. It's a matter of perception and a choice to be offended.
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I will not say that there was no humor in it, but at same time it wasnt funny. THe difference is when someone dirties our floor, or what may appear to some as dirty....I am responsible for cleaning it up:thumbup:
 
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I don't hold any weight here, but I say we simply agree to disagree, respect the house rules as they reflect back onto Jerry and get back to drinking. We can discuss this from all angles, but in the end, we're here for friends and INFI. So I'm going go drink my Pepsi and maybe search the old threads for cool historical pieces or funny pics. By the way, you can occasionally find re-edits that are hidden gems of humor. :thumbup:
 
OK guys, let me see if I can sum all this up.

1. I do not think that the original post containing the video was intended to offend anyone. I believe it was posted for a laugh but not at the expense of any person or race. I do see however how it could be taken that way so it was removed.

2. This will not become a place to spout political views, race or religous ideas. I understand that we have a very diverse group here and we all have to understand that what may come across as funny to one segment may be taken a totally different way by others.

3. Being a moderator is a taxing job that gets very little appreciation. These guys do this voluntarily, on there own time. Their job is to keep the peace and make sure that everyone has an enjoyable experience while viewing the Busse Combat forum. I am not saying that moderators (myself included) are super human and will never make a mistake. But I do know that they have the best intentions and do what they think is best for the entire community. In this case I think that it was handled correctly for the sake of the entire community. No one wants to be at a party and feel unwelcome or that they are the lesser person in the group. If anyone has a problem with the way something gets handled here then send an email or PM to me.

4. There are tons of Off topic thread started here and I think that does have a place on our forum so long as that it is used as a way to share with your friends. Off topic threads should never be used for politics, race, or religion. There are areas here on Blade Forums specifically for those topics.

5. The Busse Forum has always tried to maintain a family friendly enviroment and we all need to strive to keep it that way.

6. As in any community there may be people here that you do not like or agree with all the time. This is not the place to bring those things up. That is what PMs and emails are for. Keep your opinions of others to yourself.

7. This is a place to hang out, have fun and talk with friends about knives. We are here to help answer questions and welcome newcomers. Not alienate or offend in any way.

I am locking this thread before it spirals any further.

Everyone relax, grab a drink and enjoy this forum for what it is intended for. Awesome knives and the great people who use and collect them.

Garth
 
Oops, apologies Garth. I didnt realize you had posted.




Bill, considering the title of this thread and OP are defending a previously locked thread. How in the world would you have liked me to handle?

What lock another thread?

No, I know first hand how everyone here hates locked threads. I also know how it can look when replies get edited. THen folks sit and wonder which is worse, and In most cases what they would have read in the original post is better than wondering WTF.

THats why this is still opened.

Also, most of what mods do is PC to some extent. So I should say hey______________________________________ (BLANK WHITE SPACE)?
 
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Regardless of the opinions on this particular issue, there is a great bunch of people in this forum. I wanted to clear a few things up since I was involved. Spark specifically addresses racist or bigoted posts. From the FAQ

Racism / Bigotry / etc
Keep it off our site. Period.

This applies to every forum on the site including this one. This also includes W&C and the Cove. Because Spark singles out topics like this, I guarantee posts that even hint at racism or bigotry will draw attention even if they are delivered with humor. The difficult part as a mod is determining when to step in and then how to handle the situation. We all interpret things differently and our sensitivity to certainly topics differ. I remember telling a joke with a group of friends that involved spousal abuse...something about black eyes and getting beers. Everyone laughed except my one friend who who didn't think it was very funny as he grew up watching his mother get beat by his step-father. I had no idea and felt like an idiot after he told me.

In this case, there was no intent to be racist. No formal warnings or infractions were handed out. There was no knee-jerk reaction to the post and it was discussed before action was taken. mamun1024 certainly demonstrated a lot of class and proved he's a valued member of this forum.
 
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