In the Middle of Nowhere

well... this is interesting.. i'll play along :D

out of the knives i actually own, probably my HI WWII Khukri or Kershaw Outcast D2.

one of the two is probably what i'd take. if i had to choose between the two, at the moment i'd take my Outcast.

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Now that is interesting as the Outcast doesn't get much ink even though it seems to be a great value. A big D2 chopper from an established manufacturer. I am going to do some research on this one.

As for this little scenario, I hack down small trees with my reprofiled and very sharp Becker Brute. I have a mag bar, chunk of hack saw file wraped in saran wrap, then a water tight container with fat wood shavings and vaseline cotton balls laying on the mag bar. These items are all thoroughly secured to my sheath with black electrical tape. This sounds like a bulky unit, but it's not. The taped on items are pretty small compared to the brute sheath. Anywere my knife goes (with me), my fire kit comes along automaticly, and it's water proof. I know that my knife hacks down small shelter trees almost as well as my tomahawk, because I've done it numerous times.
 
I think a three day walkout is totally, totally unrealistic. And I have done 30+ km daily for days at a stretch with heavy gear in bad weather.

If you are not on a trail, unsure of where you are going, and cold and hungry, I think it's much more realistic to figure on 5 km a day and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

In the event of a major snowfall that could be cut down to 1 km a day, no joke. I am bigger and stronger than most people and I do heavy physical work day in and day out, and I have a lot of experience in major trekking expeditions, and I have had 1 km days in heavy snow.

Anyway there are two ways to go for a knife in this kind of situation - a big chopper to replace the obviously more effective axe, or a slicer and hope that good slicing ability is enough to let you get away without chopping anything.

I would be pretty annoyed to be without an axe in this situation, but without an axe, I could go either way on chopper/slicer. A big chopper of any sort would be good in some ways, and a smaller 4" slicer could do you a lot of good as well.

Right now I wouldn't expect severe cold, so I would be thinking small fires would probably do you, making the sacrifices you make to get a good chopping knife probably not worthwhile. If it's only five or ten below big fires are not TOO necessary - although at those temps I find the weather is often much windier, so it could be a bit of a toss up.

Still, I think I would lean towards a slicing knife.

I'd say it depends. This isn't exactly Antarctica, and it's autumn, not midwinter, so it's pretty unlikely that there will be 100+ cm of soft snow around. I've lived in rather cold conditions all my life, and yet I have never, not ever, seen such weather that I could only move 1 km a day. And I've had to go without skiis or snowshoes in sub -25 C weather with over 100 cm of snow, carrying fairly heavy gear. Very high up in the mountains, sure, it could be less than 1 km, even, but in a forest... if trees can live there, I can walk there. A forest during autumn? Unless someone has shot me, there's no way I'll total less than 10 km a day, assuming I have even the faintest idea where I'm going, and that the trees aren't growing from the bottom of a lake.

It depends on the weather and what you have, and who you are. I'm not bigger than most people, which, to me, is good, since I'm not as heavy. Assuming I'm carrying equipment only for myself, and I don't have a heavy as hell assault rifle and ammunition with me, it's going to be a pretty light-footed journey. And in this case, if I don't have anything beyond a knife and clothes, it's going to be about as easy as it can possibly get, with no extra weight. But as I said, I'd rather have the compass than a knife - even lighter, and then I'd certainly always know where I'm going. Nothing slows a man down quite like constantly checking for the right direction with the most primitive of means, and nobody wants to go in circles. I've always liked running, so that helps quite a lot in terms of physical stamina. In the woods, stamina is much more important than raw strength. It's not how much one can lift, but how long one can walk, tired and without food. The most I have gone without eating anything was, I believe, four days, and it wasn't half bad. Felt like being on a diet, but certainly didn't stop me from running or walking pretty much normal distances. I admit I wouldn't have been able to beat any of my weightlifting records (which aren't anything to brag about anyway, certainly not to anyone who has seriously trained in that sport), though. As long as there's drinking water, lack of food isn't very bad, not for periods less than a week for a person used to not eating four large meals a day. And since there are lakes, there is water.

The main reason I'll still say this could be walked out of in 3 days is the clothes - if you've got the proper clothes for the weather (and proper means proper, and proper means being prepared for weather more severe than the current, within reasonable extent), there's not much need for a fire, at least not if you're used to colder climates.

I think you'd do just fine with only a slicer knife, as long as we're not building a cabin. I'd want an axe, too, if I knew I was being dropped off into real middle of nowhere, like some places in Siberia or the more remote parts of Canada. But this isn't that bad at all. Of course, for the city folk, anything beyond 1 km from the nearest population center is in the middle of nowhere. :D
 
I agree with Elen, I'm 4 foot 120lbs and use crutches and hobbled along more than 1 km in January in Boundary waters in northern Minnesota.

...rat-7s my choice
 
I have been to Queen Charlotte island up there Hunting. I wandered to a stream and lots of salmon were actually swimming down stream. I tried to catch them with my hands. Did not come close. It was fun untill I felt like I was being watched. There are black bear there and huge trees.

I would take a RD-9.

Ooops! QC is on the west coast and PE is on the east. That would suck for me.
 
Something easy to pack. I'm not stopping to build a log cabin, I'm building minimal shelter/fire necessities to get buy.

Fallkniven F1 would do just fine. Large enough to get the big stuff done, yet small enough to do the small tasks at hand.

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Well, I wouldn't COUNT on being stuck at 1 km a day...I am only saying that I have had this happen to me. It was not in conditions especially like what I would expect to see at Wabakimi...but that doesn't mean that you wouldn't have equally tough conditions. Boggy terrain with sudden snowfall can be awful - you might be stuck trying to dry out your feet a lot of the time. That is really hard going, very sketchy! Real cold is easy to travel in - it's dry. Moderate cold is tough because there is plenty of liquid water left around to screw with you.


The reason I think I would lean towards a slicer is simply that I would expect to be building frequent small fires while on the move, and not exhausting the deadfall supply in any one place. Additionally, a solid 4" slicer will take down trees about 3" in diameter pretty readily in my experience. I feel that this would be sufficient in this scenario. I am never happy with the chopping abilities of big knives (I admit I have no experience with kukris though) so I'd rather have a great slicer than a mediocre chopper and lousy slicer.

I've never broken a knife, ever, so I just don't worry much about the whole sharp prybar/hard use knife thing.
 
In a kidanp situation the chances are the knife is either a folder or something you find. In the woods I would guess that would be a cheap axe or a Mora stored in a cabin. Anything more expensive and the hunters etc would not leave it.

but

this is fun so I would want my HI Kukri :)
 
In the Wabakimi area in 2001 a huge snow storm came through in the last week of October. Thousands and thousands of trees were snapping 10 feet off the ground or toppled over. Walking then and probably now was misserable. Besides that, when walking through the boreal forest at the best of time it is difficult to keep a steady pace or a straight heading. Lakes, wetlands and cliffs and valleys have to be passed. If you were dropped off and had to find your way out what direction would you go? Most survival books and instructors seem to mention staying put. I think I would at first stay put and try to signal for help. Yes, the season is ending and winter is fast approaching and the longer I stay the weaker I will become. But if I don't know where I am heading; why head for it.
 
Let's see, middle of nowhere,3 day trek to safety, one knife to have on me ? my TAK-1 1095 version. knife that is functional, could handle most things within reason ask of it to do.
 
MY Busse Fusion Battle Mistress! It might not be perfect for everything, but it would give me alot more piece of mind, about the situation !
 
My Ruana 95 MP.I've owned many knives and it is one of the best if not the best I've used.
 
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