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Inconsistent Bevel Grind Angles on FK2

Discussion in 'Carothers Performance Knives' started by NiceNife, Mar 25, 2019.

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  1. Hundred Acre Wood

    Hundred Acre Wood

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    Mar 19, 2017
    And once again you make the same mistake of making public accusations instead of handling this with some decorum.

    The problem is not your belief that something is wrong, it's how you go about your business of handling it. That's bush league pal.
     
  2. NiceNife

    NiceNife Gold Member Gold Member

    88
    May 19, 2018
    Sorry, but I disagree. Whether it'd be official forums for cars, video games, art, apparel, technology, etc., people can and should voice their negative feedback, opinions, flaws, or bugs publicly on their forums. Shutting out negative ideas or feedback is extremely toxic.

    Anyways, I've posted more pictures on the first page for review, but at this point, I think people here have already committed to blocking out anything negative.
     
  3. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    This has gone from calling me out publicly for inconsistent grind angles and problems controlling grind angle at the tip to when you zoom in, one side of the edge is ground a little more on one side than the other.

    The amount one side is ground vs the other is done by hand. That is uncontrolled, it is a human doing that work. This isn't the angle. And this isn't a problem with the tip. This is a different animal. The angle is correct, the amount ground is different. In reality all of them are a little different, none of them are perfect. I'm sorry that you were able to scrutinize your knife and find some aesthetic detail about it that wasn't perfect but, while we care about that, it has never been our primary focus.

    Most knives in the industry are sharpened freehand. The factory edge is a random angle and this angle is usually fairly obtuse. And burnt. It is possible to eyeball this and get the height fairly even. We control the angle, which I feel is very important. The rest of it we do the best we can. You're not the first person to complain that we can't match the amount ground on one side vs the other perfectly. We try. We also try to provide the best value in the highest bang-for-the-buck high performance knife available in the industry. If your knife has failed to make you giddy with happiness please return it for a refund.
     
  4. Tricky Dickey

    Tricky Dickey Gold Member Gold Member

    422
    Mar 15, 2012
    I’ll buy that fucker and alleviate the burden of anyone else having to deal with it.
     
  5. NiceNife

    NiceNife Gold Member Gold Member

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    May 19, 2018

    Interesting -- because I had assumed all bevels were machine ground from one of your previous posts:

    My original concern was not the unevenness of the sides, but the difference in angles I would have to lift my knife in order to sharpen on a stone. This concern is still there. My next step is to take video evidence, but I have received your PM and will conclude this topic privately.
     
  6. Hundred Acre Wood

    Hundred Acre Wood

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    Mar 19, 2017
    There's a difference between healthy public discussion and negative public accusation, but it's obvious from your repeated behaviour that you don't understand that difference.

    Nathan has first graciously offered to inspect the knife for a problem, yet you continued to complain. Now he has offered you a refund, and what will you do? I suspect you'll continue to complain.

    Thats not healthy criticism or discussion and that's on you.
     
  7. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    I'd like to point out that he is correct in that the two sides of the knife in question are not perfectly even. This is a valid observation. It is also a fact that literally NONE of the knives we make are 100% perfect. These are images taken from the first post.

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    While not completely perfect it passes the only criteria we have here for this aesthetic issue, which is "If I got this knife, would I be disappointed in it". This knife was inspected by me and two other people and it passed that test. I wish we could make everything completely perfect but for now the best we can do is merely good enough for most folks, not everyone.

    That said, the angles ARE correct. And to us that is very important. The angles massively affect durability and cutting characteristics. Minor aesthetic issues do not.
     
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  8. azwelke

    azwelke azwelke.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 12, 2007
    I think it would sell in less than 1 second, if that was NNs concern.
     
  9. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    @NiceNife
    When I was new to knives, I also obsessed a little about the original edge.
    But the truth is, that edge won’t be around very long IF you actually use the knife. I quickly learned that the things to focus on are the quality of the materials, the design (utility and comfort), and the primary bevel. The primary bevel needs to be done right. At this point, if a maker gave me a knife with a properly ground primary bevel, I’d be comfortable putting the very first edge on the blade (although it might take a lot of work). And provided he gave me a suggested approximate angle that suits the steel and purpose of the knife. But the important thing is that I have a solid starting point. I can maintain or even (and usually do) change the edge. But I can’t change the primary bevel. I promise you that your FK2 has a perfectly ground primary bevel. Others have already told you that a few sharpenings will eventually even out the edge bevel (given a little time and skill). And on the pictures you showed us, the difference is so small that it’s really nothing to fret about. You could easily even the bevels without any appreciable (probably not even measureable) loss in blade height.
    I bet the edge is straight and cuts like a demon. That’s everything it’s supposed to do. And remember, that’s just the “starter edge”. It shouldn’t be around very long anyway...
     
  10. UffDa

    UffDa Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 1999
    Never let it go. Keep posting to make a bigger fool of yourself if that's possible. :rolleyes:

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    I'll take it. You now have at least two bonafide offers.

    KWITCHURBITCHIN!
     
  11. Shane C.

    Shane C. Basic Member Basic Member

    21
    Jan 5, 2018
    Worst post I've ever seen here. Both sides!

    You both handeld it wrong!
     
  12. UffDa

    UffDa Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 1999
    Opinions, everyone has one. :rolleyes:

    Since this forum is more or less PG-13, I won't finish comment.
     
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  13. JJ_Colt45

    JJ_Colt45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 2014
    I can personally attest to Nathan's effort to go above and beyond to help his customers ...

    I came on asking a question about an EDC2 knife I bought and while just running it over a ceramic hone I notice a small area of light relection ..

    being new to D3V steel I had just asked members for advice and within a short period Nathan chimed in and asked that I send in the knife for him to check out ...

    well within a few days I had it back Nathan found a small edge roll that I may have caused I never knew ... but he sharpened it up and returned it ... not only that but add cash in the box to cover any shipping fees I spent.


    So I cannot think of anyone with better customer service ... or anyone that take more pride in each knife he puts out.
     
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  14. on_the_edge

    on_the_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    No, make that 3 offers to buy it now, the third being me. @NiceNife, if you want to sell it to me, I'll pay you your original price plus shipping and PP fees. You won't be out a penny. And if you do, we can save Nathan any more time dealing with this because I WON'T be sending it back to him. I missed out on the last Friday sale of these and would love to have that knife.
     
  15. xxwarderxx

    xxwarderxx Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 27, 2015
    @NiceNife
    I’m not posting to say whether your issue is valid or isn’t.

    The way you’re going about this is extremely toxic, however, and you should think about this before you post anymore.

    Just some friendly advice that’s worth what you paid for it.
     
  16. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    to the first point, don't worry, you didn't

    to the second, passive aggressive behaviour is teh hallmark of trolls, just sayin
     
  17. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Platinum Member Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    I don't wish to beat up on the OP, I really do not. I admit that I never started on a good footing with the OP because of the "read more, post less" golden advice which I wish, I, myself had heeded to when I was wet behind the ears.

    From the very beginning, if you had followed the OP's posts or if you go back and read them, he was always interested in a convex grind. For full disclosure, I happen to HATE convex grinds by which I mean the primary bevel coming to a convened apex. This is why I could never get fully into Fallkeniven A1, S1 and F1, out of which I found the highly desired F1 to be my least favorite! This is also the same reason I bailed out of my Bark River knives in addition to their other issues.

    In the recent past, I had received some Spyderco Military and PM2 models which I found out to have inconsistent "grinds" vis a vis the shoulder height which I define as the distance between the primary bevel's end line and the edge (apex). Was I annoyed? Well, yes somewhat just because those "flaws" are more prominent on a much smaller BL and also since I think that Spyderco's processes are fully automated, I was wondering WTH! I may be wrong on the last statement though, so please correct me if so.

    If the OP is really set on a fully convexed primary and edge, then he ought to perhaps either send it back to CPK to get refunded or sell it to the other interested parties on here and then just move onto what he really wanted from the start. Just my additional 2 cents.
     
  18. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    I recall the original request for the convex Field Knife. I would have been happy to do that for the OP. In fact he could have reminded me about that and I'd have done that on this knife. When time allows we sometimes do special requests like that. And had the OP approached me about that cosmetic detail on the knife making his OCD itch we'd have sorted it out for him. The problem comes when someone drops a big stinking turd on the forum and, intentionally or not, harms my reputation based on incorrect information and a poor understanding of what they're talking about. I was legitimately angry about that which is not something I've shown here before and for that I apologize. This is supposed to be a drama-free zone.


    I agree

    The op can contact me by PM and we can resolve this problem.

    ...I'll lock this so Matty will quit bumping it back up...
     
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