Industry Standard.

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There's some things in life you take for granted. The sun rising in the east, taxes, death. You know its gonna happen and you don't need proof of it. Other things are in the category as well. Certain brands that you just know, no matter what, will not let you down.

Bic pens. No matter where I am, theres Bic pens on hand. Every drug store, box store, has them. They always work, will sit for years in a car gove box and not dry up, they don't leak, and is one of those things that you can count on like Bic lighters. Like Toyota cars. I'm on my third Toyota since 1988, and my first two little pickups ran for many years needing very little. 200 thousand miles over 18 to 20 years on each one was easy. Last January when I realized my little Tacoma that I had been running since 2001 was getting old and, for my aging carcass, no longer comfortable on long drives, I didn't even think of another brand. I bought a new 2019 Corolla that I needed to go back to school to learn how to deal with the new technology they put in cars now. It tells me when I'm lane wandering, slows down automatically if the cruise control gets too close the car in front of me, brakes if I'm in la-la land, and I don't even have to wind up my windows anymore. And it gets more than double the gas milage than my old pickup. Not to mention that the wonderful wrap around bucket seat is very adjustable for different back positions, unlike the little bench seat in my old pickup.

Victorinox is in that category. No matter where I am, if theres a big box store or sporting goods store around, they will have a few SAK's in stock. I can buy whatever is there, and I know that the new SAK will be the same quality as the last SAK. I truly believe that Victorinox has been blessed by the Swiss mountain Gods for consistency in manufacture. Certainly their quality control is second to none. Used to semi collect Case knives. I ran into blades off center, back springs that sometimes were too weak, or too strong. Gaps in construction. You had to pick through the stores stock for the best example. Other brands the same. Even GEC, the esteemed boutique brand over priced and highly hyped collector pocket knives with relatively high price tags, had a good amount of factory defects. Maybe they need to take a page from the Victorinox operations manual.

Bic pens, Casio or Timex watches, Toyota cars, Ruger firearms, and Victorinox SAK's are an industry standard in quality. It's nice to know that some things can still be counted on in age of mediocracy.
 
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Well said. When in need, grab a Vic, pay the lady at the register, and go. No need to even check the edge ...... you know it's going to be right.
 
all so true about victorinox.
the swiss have definately nailed it!
all praise to the astude manner
in which the swiss have for
precisely running things
to perfection.
 
I don't think I would put Toyota in that category. Well many have had good luck with them many others have not. When you compare it to some of the other brands you mentioned, it doesn't come close. In fact, not auto manufacturer right now does.

You can maybe add Eveready and Duracell to the list. Their batteries, if used within the date stamp and sometimes even after, will always work well. Can find them everywhere.

For me I would say whirlpool refrigerators. You know, the traditional version with the freezer on top. Not the double side by side door stuff. These are the ones that you end up putting in the garage when you "upgrade" to a fancy stainless side by side LG or some other brand. You don't want to get rid of it because it still works. Those refrigerators always seem to go 20 plus years with little problems

Maybe even Ivory bar soap. Can be found in most stores. Always the same no matter where you find it. Same bar of soap remained the same for the last 30 or so years. Works well

My list may not be the same as yours but just a thought
 
You remind me so much of my grandad Jack knife. He wasn't wealthy by any means. Just a career postal carrier, but the things he did buy were always the best quality. Whether it was a lawnmower or a car that he bought it wasn't going to be a piece of junk. He also carried a Vic Classic.

Toyota definitely falls into the top quality category. My wife has 350,000 miles on her Four Runner with very few repairs.

I have sometimes learned the hard way that it's best to just go ahead and get the good stuff. Victorinox has proven that the best doesn't always mean the most expensive. With the power of the internet it's not too hard to find out what products are of top quality.

I thoroughly enjoy your insight!
 
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Bic pens, Casio or Times watches, Toyota cars, Ruger firearms, and Victorinox SAK's are an industry standard in quality. It's nice to know that some things can still be counted on in age of mediocracy.

I would go further and say that these items don't just represent quality, but they represent amazing value for money.
Not only are they great products but they are priced such that almost anyone can afford to equip themselves with these essential items.
If I am driving a Toyota Corolla, with a SAK in my pocket and a Ruger LCR in my belt, Casio G-Shock on the wrist and a Bic pen in my shirt pocket I would consider myself very well heeled for EDC!:)
 
Just got a new victorinox recruit today, so I'm the choir you're preaching to . My first knife was one, MacGyver solved any and all problems with one , and when my lads are old enough to use and appreciate one, I'll buy one or them without fear of a dud . Ive been recommending them to friends and collleagues for years. Small enough to always have with you , big enough to get the job done .
 
Carl, you're right in saying Victorinox quality can be counted on. What you couldn't have known is, Vic is possibly becoming this family's standard in pocket cutlery.
When I read what Strom wrote above, "...when my lads are old enough to use and appreciate one, I'll buy one for them...", I was reminded of my grandchildren.
I have more knives then most folks so my grandchildren have seen and used many different knives. The three oldest at different times over the years have each asked me for a knife of their own. After getting the OK from with their parents I planned on giving them the knife of their choosing. When asking them which one they wanted they have all responded similarly, (without the others around) "One of the red ones Papa." Each of them now has a small tinker. They tell me they like all the different blades. Smart kids... if I do say so myself.
 
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"Bic pens, Casio or Times watches, Toyota cars, Ruger firearms, and Victorinox SAK's are an industry standard in quality" Carl - I totally agree with you.

With respect to the Victorinox SAKS, I've taken apart many dozens of SAKS to mod, ranging from new production to 50+ year old knives. It has amazed me how the consistent their quality, fit and finish has been over the years. Often when modding other brands, parts between two knives of the same version and year are not compatible due to variances in fit and finish.
 
Bic lighter in my pocket, used Bic pens most of my life and the car's a Honda which is practically the same thing oh and a SAK on my belt. I looked high and low for a quality traditional. All I wanted for it to have the quality of my wife's cheap SAK. I spent a whole lot over the years just to find that the pocket knife I was looking for was - a SAK. I've sold most of the rest now. Don't feel any reason to hang onto them. I have my knife.
 
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Victorinox knives
Channellock pliers
Sharpie markers
Casio watches
Maglite flashlights
And Vaughan & Bushnell hammers.

Those are the brands I can think of that I never have to worry about.
 
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Bic lighter in my pocket, used Bic pens most of my life and the car's a Honda which is practically the same thing oh and a SAK on my belt. I looked high and low for a quality traditional. All I wanted for it to have the quality of my wife's cheap SAK. I spent a whole lot over the years just to find that the pocket knife I was looking for was - a SAK. I've sold most of the rest now. Don't feel any reason to hang onto them. I have my knife.


I've been through the same thing recently. Trying to find the perfect pocket knife. I bought some really nice knives from Case including a Barlow, Mini Copperlock, Sowbelly and Medium Stockman. They are all really nice, but I was really just trying to find the perfect everyday user that would meet my needs, and like you I found it in the SAK. A $21 Tinker that my wife bought me for our 30th anniversary. I wish I would have found it before I spent over $200. Oh well. I now have a nice little collection I can admire and even carry from time to time.
 
There's some things in life you take for granted. The sun rising in the east, taxes, death. You know its gonna happen and you don't need proof of it. Other things are in the category as well. Certain brands that you just know, no matter what, will not let you down.

Bic pens. No matter where I am, theres Bic pens on hand. Every drug store, box store, has them. They always work, will sit for years in a car gove box and not dry up, they don't leak, and is one of those things that you can count on like Bic lighters. Like Toyota cars. I'm on my third Toyota since 1988, and my first two little pickups ran for many years needing very little. 200 thousand miles over 18 to 20 years on each one was easy. Last January when I realized my little Tacoma that I had been running since 2001 was getting old and, for my aging carcass, no longer comfortable on long drives, I didn't even think of another brand. I bought a new 2019 Corolla that I needed to go back to school to learn how to deal with the new technology they put in cars now. It tells me when I'm lane wandering, slows down automatically if the cruise control gets too close the car in front of me, brakes if I'm in la-la land, and I don't even have to wind up my windows anymore. And it gets more than double the gas milage than my old pickup. Not to mention that the wonderful wrap around bucket seat is very adjustable for different back positions, unlike the little bench seat in my old pickup.

Victorinox is in that category. No matter where I am, if theres a big box store or sporting goods store around, they will have a few SAK's in stock. I can buy whatever is there, and I know that the new SAK will be the same quality as the last SAK. I truly believe that Victorinox has been blessed by the Swiss mountain Gods for consistency in manufacture. Certainly their quality control is second to none. Used to semi collect Case knives. I ran into blades off center, back springs that sometimes were too weak, or too strong. Gaps in construction. You had to pick through the stores stock for the best example. Other brands the same. Even GEC, the esteemed boutique brand over priced and highly hyped collector pocket knives with relatively high price tags, had a good amount of factory defects. Maybe they need to take a page from the Victorinox operations manual.

Bic pens, Casio or Times watches, Toyota cars, Ruger firearms, and Victorinox SAK's are an industry standard in quality. It's nice to know that some things can still be counted on in age of mediocracy.

I completely agree about Victorinox knives. I have owned many many and never have I noticed a single defect. In fact
@Jack Black and I were talking about this some time ago. Here is the link to the thread that he started about it.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/has-anyone-ever-had-a-defective-swiss-army-knife.1081757/
 
I've been through the same thing recently. Trying to find the perfect pocket knife. I bought some really nice knives from Case including a Barlow, Mini Copperlock, Sowbelly and Medium Stockman. They are all really nice, but I was really just trying to find the perfect everyday user that would meet my needs, and like you I found it in the SAK. A $21 Tinker that my wife bought me for our 30th anniversary. I wish I would have found it before I spent over $200. Oh well. I now have a nice little collection I can admire and even carry from time to time.
I wish my own journey had only cost $200! :) All that and I ended up with a 2nd hand Spartan which cost me $9. A true mockery of all the money I spent. Rather embarrassing actually and a good life lesson contrary to the lessons previously learnt in my professional life where buying cheap is not the correct way to do things. Not when your business and reputation count on it.
 
I wish my own journey had only cost $200! :) All that and I ended up with a 2nd hand Spartan which cost me $9. A true mockery of all the money I spent. Rather embarrassing actually and a good life lesson contrary to the lessons previously learnt in my professional life where buying cheap is not the correct way to do things. Not when your business and reputation count on it.

You and me both, brother!

I laugh about the money I've spent on knives, both custom and high end, and now I'm walking around with a SAK in my pocket that costs about the same as lunch at a chain restaurant like IHOP, Cracker Barrel, or Bob Evans. And I'm happy with it.

The hight of irony.
 
You and me both, brother!

I laugh about the money I've spent on knives, both custom and high end, and now I'm walking around with a SAK in my pocket that costs about the same as lunch at a chain restaurant like IHOP, Cracker Barrel, or Bob Evans. And I'm happy with it.

The hight of irony.

Isn't that the definition of happiness- wanting what you have?
 
I have to agree with you J jackknife with regard to Toyota. They tend to cost a little more than a Ford or Chevy (regular models, versus Lexus), but I have found them to last and last with very few repairs or problems. Fords are getting much better. I have owned Toyota pickups since 1980. My last was a 1997 model that I had a fender bender with and the insurance company totaled it.... replaced it with a 2017 Tacoma. Wife drove Corollas and same thing happened to hers.... replaced with a slightly smaller 2019 Toyota model. I have owned cars that require regular trips to the shop for something..... that has not been the case with ANY of the Toyota's I have owned. At 240K, I would have trusted my 1997 Toyota pickup for a cross country trip. But... stuff happens and I had to replace it. I feel sure that many have owned more cars than me, but I have owned 5 Toyota pickups and 4 Toyota cars... all with the same reliability. I do own a Ford van right now and it has done well overall. They have suspension issues primarily if you haul stuff on a regular basis.

Vic knives.... certainly dependable with predictable quality. Never really owned a dud.
Bic pens..... I graduated from them years ago, but they are dependable. Bic lighters.... the best.
Timex watches.... used to feel that way about them, but I have purchased several duds and now go to Casio for my lower cost watches which is mostly what I use day to day.

Doesn't bother me a bit that I have spent thousands of dollars on knives and end up carrying a Vic Small Tinker which cost ~$20.

Channel Lock pliers... predictable quality.
Craftsman hand tools.... predictable quality (the US Made ones)
DeWalt power tools.... so far so good.
Honda engines.... have been consistently excellent and dependable. My generators have Honda engines.
Maglites.... (flashlights) been good as long as you're not hung up with high lumens these days.
Ruger firearms.... dependable but a bit rough around the edges on their revolvers. Generally prefer S&W or Colt.
Estwing products; everything has been excellent.
Carhartt pocket tea shirts.

Oh, by the way, "Industry Standard" is mostly a marketing term.
 
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I have to agree with you J jackknife with regard to Toyota. They tend to cost a little more than a Ford or Chevy (regular models, versus Lexus), but I have found them to last and last with very few repairs or problems. Fords are getting much better. I have owned Toyota pickups since 1980. My last was a 1997 model that I had a fender bender with and the insurance company totaled it.... replaced it with a 2017 Tacoma. Wife drove Corollas and same thing happened to hers.... replaced with a slightly smaller 2019 Toyota model. I have owned cars that require regular trips to the shop for something..... that has not been the case with ANY of the Toyota's I have owned. At 240K, I would have trusted my 1997 Toyota pickup for a cross country trip. But... stuff happens and I had to replace it. I feel sure that many have owned more cars than me, but I have owned 5 Toyota pickups and 4 Toyota cars... all with the same reliability. I do own a Ford van right now and it has done well overall. They have suspension issues primarily if you haul stuff on a regular basis.

Vic knives.... certainly dependable with predictable quality. Never really owned a dud.
Bic pens..... I graduated from them years ago, but they are dependable. Bic lighters.... the best.
Timex watches.... used to feel that way about them, but I have purchased several duds and now go to Casio for my lower cost watches which is mostly what I use day to day.

Doesn't bother me a bit that I have spent thousands of dollars on knives and end up carrying a Vic Small Tinker which cost ~$20.

Channel Lock pliers... predictable quality.
Craftsman hand tools.... predictable quality (the US Made ones)
DeWalt power tools.... so far so good.
Honda engines.... have been consistently excellent and dependable. My generators have Honda engines.
Maglites.... (flashlights) been good as long as you're not hung up with high lumens these days.
Ruger firearms.... dependable but a bit rough around the edges on their revolvers. Generally prefer S&W or Colt.
Estwing products; everything has been excellent.
Carhartt pocket tea shirts.

Oh, by the way, "Industry Standard" is mostly a marketing term.

Yeah, Toyota's are good. When my old Tacoma was due to be replaced and I didn't really want another truck, I didn't even think much about another brand of car. I bought a new Corolla that since last spring has already been twice to California.

Ruger- not just their revolvers are a bit rough, but last month I bought a new Ruger LCP as I was so impressed by my daughters. Trigger pull was, to be blunt, atrocious. Rough, gritty and heavy. But a bit of oil, 100 rounds downrange and a good cleaning and oil the thriller, was smother. Another 100 rounds down range and again some compressed air in a can and oil in the trigger and t was better. Another 100 rounds through it and a good cleaning and oiling, and the trigger was actually pretty decent. Some dry fire at the house and more canned air and oil down into the trigger area and the grittiness is gone and it breaks pretty darn clean. For a pocket gun it shoots right in the 10 ring at 7 yards, and I'm happy with that. Yeah, Rugers are rough but cleanup well with use.

Bic lighters- always reliable. Good enough for Costa Rica jungle guides on eco tours. They all carry, in addition to the 12 inch machetes, a SAK and a Bic Lighter. That says something.
 
Yeah, Toyota's are good. When my old Tacoma was due to be replaced and I didn't really want another truck, I didn't even think much about another brand of car. I bought a new Corolla that since last spring has already been twice to California.

Ruger- not just their revolvers are a bit rough, but last month I bought a new Ruger LCP as I was so impressed by my daughters. Trigger pull was, to be blunt, atrocious. Rough, gritty and heavy. But a bit of oil, 100 rounds downrange and a good cleaning and oil the thriller, was smother. Another 100 rounds down range and again some compressed air in a can and oil in the trigger and t was better. Another 100 rounds through it and a good cleaning and oiling, and the trigger was actually pretty decent. Some dry fire at the house and more canned air and oil down into the trigger area and the grittiness is gone and it breaks pretty darn clean. For a pocket gun it shoots right in the 10 ring at 7 yards, and I'm happy with that. Yeah, Rugers are rough but cleanup well with use.

Bic lighters- always reliable. Good enough for Costa Rica jungle guides on eco tours. They all carry, in addition to the 12 inch machetes, a SAK and a Bic Lighter. That says something.
I also never really considered any other manufacturer when I replaced the Tacoma and the Corolla in the last two years. I would call that brand loyalty; but loyalty based on experience.

I have 4 Ruger revolvers and 2 semi auto 22's (SR-22 and Mark II Target). Good but not quite up to S&W standards overall. The little SR-22 is a good plinker, but the Mark II is excellent. I bought a Ruger 10/22 back in the late 80's. It has been okay but not accurate enough for me except for plinking. Years ago, I got a Ruger SRH in 480 Ruger to hunt with..... that thing beats you to death (and the sharp edges can cut you) and now use a BFR in 480/475. My BFR is like a fine watch. Don't shoot it much anymore and I feel sure I would have to practice a lot to get to the point I was comfortable for deer hunting with it. You can shoot rifles and be "good enough" without practice for deer hunting as long as you aren't taking 200 yd shots.

The Costa Rican jungle guides carrying a 12" machete, a SAK, and a Bic lighter is saying something!
 
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