Inexplicable Thread Moves

[rycen]

I won’t speak for the owner but if I had to guess the third was redundant considering the first two threads and your acknowledgment that you understood that general discussion was not the appropriate section.

 

[Sam Wilson]

To put a point on it, if I did something incorrect, please let me know and I correct and we move on. I don't entirely agree with the way the first two threads were moved/handled, but I can accept that. My problem is taking the THIRD one offline with no real explanation, and no clear way to know how to proceed. I paid for the privilege to talk about and sell my knives here, I don't believe it is unreasonable to want to know why I am receiving this treatment with no explanation. Would any of you want to be treated this way at your place of business?

Sam Wilson

 

[Sam Wilson]

But it clearly stated it WAS NOT A SALES THREAD! Can I not even ask for feedback on my knives? Isn't that part of what I am paying for?

I won’t speak for the owner but if I had to guess the third was redundant considering the first two threads and your acknowledgment that you understood that general discussion was not the appropriate section.

 

[Sam Wilson]

And why go through the trouble of moving the third thread offline, but not telling me why? That was bound to (and did) create needless work for everyone. Correct me if I am wrong.

Sam Wilson

 

[Sam Wilson]

And to be even more succinct, leadership would dictate that if someone (me, in this case) is repeatedly making some sort of procedural error, you should explain that to the person so that the same mistake isn't made repeatedly, and save time for everyone. Instead, no clear explanation was given, resulting in the mess we have here. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sam Wilson

 

[rycen]

Sam let’s both do what should have been done from the beginning. Wait to here from the owner.

 

[Sam Wilson]

Fair enough, I suppose. Not much choice now. But it would have been nice if he had said something in the first place. If he's been online (if it was him that moved the thread), he could have at least said something. The first thread was a week ago, or so. Would have taken seconds to type a reply.

Sam Wilson

Sam let’s both do what should have been done from the beginning. Wait to here from the owner.

 

[Sam Wilson]

So at the risk of belaboring the point, is there any place in particular that I am allowed to talk/post about my knives, or am I just out of luck until the owner gets back to us on this? It just feels like after the first thread (admittedly placed in the wrong forum), this could all have been avoided with a little communication. Thank you.

Sam Wilson

 

[Sam Wilson]

Wrapping this up for the night, but to keep this concise and easy to follow, on November 28th 2022 I started THIS thread here, which we’ll call thread #2 to keep it consistent with the rest of the thread. Thread #2 existed peacefully and had no problems in General for nearly a month. Then, on December 21st I had a member create a pre-order thread for me HERE to have a giveaway for Bladeforum’s members.

Admittedly, I did not take the proper steps to clear this with management/owner whatever. I honestly did not think it would be an issue, as I have a Maker’s Membership. I was wrong, and someone (a moderator or the owner, I do not know) moved the thread to the For Sale area. Fine, I accept that.

Then, for some inexplicable reason, thread #2, mentioned above, was suddenly moved to the exchange also, even though it is not a sales thread, it is a discussion thread about one of my knives. I was only notified by an alert (pictured earlier in the thread) on December 28th and told that “the owner has stated that sales talk is not appropriate for general discussion.” I do not know who moved this thread, but again, it is visible HERE and is not a sales thread. Fine, I’ll take the loss on that one also, although it certainly could have been handled much better.

Later that day, I started another thread in General asking for feedback on the knife, and stating clearly in all caps “THIS IS NOT A SALES THREAD.” This thread, #3, was also not only moved, it was taken offline, which seems a bit much to me. All I was told via an alert was “ Not appropriate per site owner.” I do not know who took this offline either.
I would just like someone to take responsibility and tell me why this is being done to me. If I have broken any rules, please let me know and I will correct it. But I believe this is a ridiculous way to treat someone trying to make a living. At least state what the problem is and not just take things down behind the scenes. How else can corrections be made?

If anything I stated above is inaccurate, please inform me and I will make any corrections. Otherwise, everything I have stated is correct, to the best of my knowledge.

So, WHY? I do not think that is an unreasonable question. I would also like to know what I can and cannot post, as this is now horribly confusing. Thank you.

Sam Wilson

 

[Sam Wilson]

And just to be clear, I contacted the owner within a day or two (over a week ago, now) about this and sent him this message through the forum, as that is the only contact info I have for him. So if he came online to yank my threads, I don't understand why nothing was said to me. That is confusing and counterproductive, if that is how it went down.

What else can I do?
Sam Wilson

 

[Dawkind]

WTF?!!!!!

Total BS but that’s the way of The World these days….geez, maybe if you offered up a percentage?

 

[craytab]

And just to be clear, I contacted the owner within a day or two (over a week ago, now) about this and sent him this message through the forum, as that is the only contact info I have for him. So if he came online to yank my threads, I don't understand why nothing was said to me. That is confusing and counterproductive, if that is how it went down.

What else can I do?
Sam Wilson

Wait, you have someone else posting for you?

Seems after the first two thread issues, starting a third wasn't the best course of action. Were you even aware or was this Shane (or whoever) posting?

I'm also going to bet you'd be better off dialing back the accusatory tone. The way you spoke in that back end conversation posted above isn't gonna get you anywhere imo.

 

[Sam Wilson]

WTF?!!!!!

Total BS but that’s the way of The World these days….geez, maybe if you offered up a percentage?

Yes, it is confusing!

Wait, you have someone else posting for you?

Seems after the first two thread issues, starting a third wasn't the best course of action. Were you even aware or was this Shane (or whoever) posting?

I'm also going to bet you'd be better off dialing back the accusatory tone. The way you spoke in that back end conversation posted above isn't gonna get you anywhere imo.

Everything is explained in posts #49 and #50 to the point a trained goat can follow. Accusatory tone has nothing to do with it. They have admitted to moving all three threads, two of which I started. No rule violations have been given yet for the other two threads. No accusation needed, they did it. I just want to know why. Maybe you're better off back on Feedback, where you can keep up and get your daily dose of drama.

Someone has to know why this was done. All I'm asking for is the decency and respect of an explanation. That does not seem unreasonable.

Sam Wilson

 

[Blues]

I have a great idea. Instead of coming up with conspiracy theories and acting like the world is coming to an end, how about we wait for Spark to address the matter. I realize that sooner is better than later, but that is outside of our control...and by our, I mean ours, the mods, and yours.

Making accusations will not help. rycen did his best to calmly answer your questions and concerns, and ultimately it's Spark who has the final say.

Posting up new threads which essentially mimic the prior ones which were found to have been problematic, (regardless of what might reasonably be considered sarcastic comments like "This Is Not A Sale Thread"), are not productive.

The moderating staff here takes pains to be fair and offer the membership a level playing field. Despite these attempts, there are times when folks are not satisfied and find fault...even when it was their own actions that caused the interventions which they find fault with. Unfortunate, but there's only so much we can do.

I hope matters will be resolved in a manner satisfactory to you, as well as the rest of the community, makers and buyers both. A little patience will go a long way in helping matters to be resolved amicably.

 

[Sam Wilson]

I agree. I didn't say anything about conspiracy theories, or any Chicken Little nonsense. If anything I stated wasn't factual, I've offered to correct it. So far, no one has brought any corrections to my attention after post 49/50.

The frustrating part is how this was handled. I've been waiting a week to hear from Spark, and I realize this is the holidays. It just seemed if he took down the threads, he could have explained clearly and briefly how to proceed. I would have been fine with "Hey, just put this on ice and we'll deal with it after the holidays." I certainly did my best to write him as respectful and conciliatory an email as possible, over a week ago.

I worded things the way I did to actually not be accusatory against Kevin, if you read it carefully. Because I don't know who did it. Again, I just wanted a respectful explanation.

I've said what I have to say about it, now I will wait.

Sam Wilson

 

[Blues]

I've said what I have to say about it, now I will wait.

Sam Wilson

Thank you. I think that is the best course forward.

 

[craytab]

Yes, it is confusing!



Everything is explained in posts #49 and #50 to the point a trained goat can follow. Accusatory tone has nothing to do with it. They have admitted to moving all three threads, two of which I started. No rule violations have been given yet for the other two threads. No accusation needed, they did it. I just want to know why. Maybe you're better off back on Feedback, where you can keep up and get your daily dose of drama.

Someone has to know why this was done. All I'm asking for is the decency and respect of an explanation. That does not seem unreasonable.

Sam Wilson

Okay then...

 

[Sam Wilson]

While waiting for this to get resolved, I would like to thank everyone that sent messages in support, of both the giveaway and me/my business in general. I am not out to vilify anyone, just get things resolved.

To those that read this thread and think I'm pushing this a bit hard, ask yourself how you would react if someone started messing with your paycheck? Because, whatever the intentions, that is what has happened.

I am a full-time maker, this is not a side hustle or something I do for beer money. And my ability to earn has been negatively impacted here while I am impeded from using a privilege I paid for. How would you handle the situation? I doubt you, or your family, would take it lightly.

Thank you again for the support.

Sam Wilson

 

[Boru13]

Sam Wilson
I take the blame for this fiasco and my apologies for that, allow me to explain.

Your first post concerning these knife was posted on Nov. 28th, apparently that flew under the mod radar, no reports etc.

⚔️⚔️Hollow Handle EDC Knife🔥🔥

Hey everyone, here is the latest project I have going on. The concept for this one is an ultralightweight hollow handle EDC knife (for those interested in HH knives, obviously). It is called the PACKLite, and the first two batches sold out very quickly, so I decided to pursue a "mid-tech"...

www.bladeforums.com

On Dec. 20th, shane45-1911 reported one of his own posts with the following question.

I resolved the report with the following.


My mistake was assuming this was still in the discussion phase by the "potentially organize" comment and as such and I saw no problem with a discussion and unfortunately shane45 interpreted my comment as approval for a pre-order thread.

I will say the "potentially organize" moved rather quickly as the next day Dec. 21st, there was a full blown pre-order thread in GKD.

Sam Wilson Hollow Handle EDC knife - FORUM MEMBER'S PRE-ORDER DISCOUNT AND GIVE-AWAYS!!!!!!

Gang, As mentioned in the original thread, Sam has generously offered to give Bladeforums.com members an opportunity to get a discount by pre-ordering this knife. The original thread is here, for specs and pics and questions about the discount...

www.bladeforums.com

What I should have done was reject shane45's report and instructed that Spark approval was needed in order to move forward, again my apologies.

You have two options... one you can get your own sub forum and advertise sales there, or any and all discussion about the PACKlite knife is confined here.

Sam Wilson Hollow Handle EDC knife - FORUM MEMBER'S PRE-ORDER DISCOUNT AND GIVE-AWAYS!!!!!!

Gang, As mentioned in the original thread, Sam has generously offered to give Bladeforums.com members an opportunity to get a discount by pre-ordering this knife. The original thread is here, for specs and pics and questions about the discount...

www.bladeforums.com

Going to close this thread for now, feel free to send a PM if you wish to discuss this any further.