Info needed on model identity.

redshanks said:
How about adding the LB 1,2,3, and 4?

I added them to the list, based on info from auctions on ebay. I could not find a LB4 in any auctions. The info I got on the LB2 is not a REAL LB2, it came from a chitaylor auction. I hope they are following the REAL SCHRADE LB2 when they make their copy.

As always I stand to be corrected. It isn't like I am a real expert like LT, Codger or Irv. I am just a guy who likes Schrades and am retired & bored! :D

Thanks for the heads up redshanks. :thumbup:

If anyone has knives that I need to add, please email them to me at: dalervincent@comcast.net or post them on this thread & I will try to keep my post updated.

Dale
 
I must be seeing things, I just looked at your list again and you have the LB1-4 on there. The LB4 is a rare knife, here's a pic for those who haven't seen it before:

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I have the poor man's version, the 3rd Generation C641. It's the same knife except it has a wood handle instead of the Staglon on the LB4.

edit: You just posted the addition of the little LB's to your list while I was typing this. I guess I wasn't seeing things. Thanks!
 
Has anyone seen a SQ598- XTAC GOLD, drop point or a SQ598T- XTAC GOLD w/tanto blade? Both were 3 1/4 in.- ATS 34 Blade, G10 Handle, w/Titanium Lining. They appear on the 2004 Schrade price list. Both retailed at $115.00. They are the only knives I know of that Schrade made with ATS34 steel. I have several knives with ATS34 blades and they REALLY cut nice & hold an edge well. I have a SQ586T and a SQ587. Both are nice knives with heavy tactical blades. Not my first choice for skinning but nice for tactical applications.
 
Duuh!
I forgot about the Spitfire. I haven't seen one in person. Thanks for the picture. I kinda had information overload finishing up that list and forgot what I had listed. :o
 
Isn't researching fun? One of the problems with using the catalogs as a primary research source is that they often contain errors in the pictures or descriptions, some knives listed ran into production problems and were delayed in their introduction beyond their catalog listings, some never produced at all, some were produced but never listed, and some were produced well before they appeared in the catalogs, and some after they were dropped from the catalogs. And then there are mock-ups, pre-prototypes, prototypes, photo samples, salesman samples, limited editions, SFO's (special private factory orders like Sears, etc.), outright errors, rejects, and the now imfamous "end of days" knives.

Perhaps the definiative list won't be compiled for another twenty five years, if ever. But assembling the lists, arranging and rearranging them by different attributes reveals some interesting information. And it gives a bit of insight into the goings-on behind the scenes at Imperial Schrade. It may also be twenty five years before we have more than a cursory glimpse at that. Possibly by then, some of the former workers will feel the need to talk about it, and write "memoires" and such. Right now they are, I am sure, still stinging and struggling to put their lives back together. After all, as the old saying goes:
"It is hard to remember that your objective is to drain the swamp when you are up to your butt in alligators."

I look forward to the day when such fine folks as Ms. Chase and a hundred others feel the need to look at their recollections and records and put down some Schrade history. Until then, collector compositions of lists and reviews, old catalogs and advertisments, examples seen in our own collections, and the few un-pruned remaining posts in our archive and pictures from eBay will have to suffice.

Codger
 
I have noticed several people have asked which Old Timers are carbon steel and which are Stainless Steel.

The 1999 Schrade catalog says this about the steel:
"Most Old Timer pocket knives and fixed blades feature special analysis high carbon steel blades, traditionally chosen for strength and resharpening ease. Old Timer lockbacks have Schrade+ Stainless Steel blades - renown for their anti-tarnish and edge retention characteristics."

The 2002 price list actually lists the steel for most of the knives listed for that year. Most are listed as "Schrade+ Steel" with the exception of the following knives:
8OT
12OT
18OT
33OT
34OT
77OT
94OT
96OT
104OT
108OT
194OT
152OT
158OT
These knives are listed as "High Carbon Steel."

I noticed that the 2004 price list does not mention what steel is used in each knife. It may have changed from 2002.

I hope this is helpful. At least it gives us a point-in-time at which these patterns were carbon steel.

Dale
 
A very good example of catalog wrongness. According to Ms. Chase, Schrade began a running changeover to stainless on a lot of the listed knives in the latter 90's, so it is very possible to find any of the listed knives in Schrade+ but not marked as such, and cataloged as 1095HC. The stainless became cheaper to manufacture and warehouse, and the thinkers at Schrade did not "think" buyers would notice the difference. I posted quotes from Ms. Chase on this subject a while back. Do a search for "UHfan" see all posts.

Codger
 
orvet said:
Redshanks,
All I know about the XT4 and the SPF1LTD came from the 2004 price list...

The Schrade SPF1LTD (Spitfire) was cataloged only in 2004. With ATS-34 steel, modified axis lock, G-10 scales and unique lanyard release, it is a fine little knife. Unfortunately, it generated little interest and like the other 2004 introductions proved to be too little too late to avert Schrade's demise.

SPF1LTD2-vi.jpg
 
One reason for that was the MSRP. A lot of dough for a bitty knife, IMHO.

Codger
 
I agree with Codger. I couldnt see what in this little knife would be worth so much $$$ but that was back before the plant closed now they are all worth $$$. Still looks like a stunted Switch-it(SW7) to me

TTYL
Larry
 
Codger_64 said:
A very good example of catalog wrongness. According to Ms. Chase, Schrade began a running changeover to stainless on a lot of the listed knives in the latter 90's, so it is very possible to find any of the listed knives in Schrade+ but not marked as such, and cataloged as 1095HC. The stainless became cheaper to manufacture and warehouse, and the thinkers at Schrade did not "think" buyers would notice the difference. I posted quotes from Ms. Chase on this subject a while back. Do a search for "UHfan" see all posts.

Codger

Good point Codger! Without people like yourself here on the forum many of us would be unaware of the truth not contained in the catalog. I imagine a lot of that sort of thing goes on when a company is going under. I read some of UHfan's posts and she seemed to blame the demise of Schrade on poor management. Possibly the decision not to be forthcoming with the customers on the type of steel is an example of those poor management practices.
 
orvet said:
OK, here is what I have come up with for model numbers & description as best as I could get it. ...
This list is far from definitive! Please feel free to add to/take from it as you find new info.
Thanks,
Dale

SCHRADE TOOLS

Brand Model # Details
...
Schrade ST1L Schrade Tough Tool 4 3/4 in. closed, 7 in. open, w/Leather Sheath
Schrade ST1N Schrade Tough Tool 4 3/4 in. closed, 7 in. open, w/Nylon Sheath
Schrade ST2 Schrade Tough Chip 2 1/2 in. closed, 4 1/4 in open
Schrade ST2N Schrade Tough Chip 2 1/2 in. closed, 4 1/4 in open w/Nylon Sheath
Schrade ST6QU Toughgrip Tool- 7 in.- Vise grip Quail Unltd.
Schrade ST6 Toughgrip Tool- 7 in.- Vise Grip multi-tool
...

I am a "lurker" and this is my first post with a contribution to the list of Schrade tools.

A few years ago, I was given a gift of a Sears Craftsman multitool made by Schrade, though I don't use it. It features a slip joint pliers and bears the number 45471 under the USA engraved on the pliers head. Apparently, it was known as the Schrade ST5 Tough Tool in a few countries and is shown here:
http://bulldog.co.za/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=222
 
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