Inside the large Manix--Pics

[Bors]

I took my large manix apart for a lint inspection and just have a look and thought I would share.


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Close up of Lock

Chinook II

 

[HoB]

That looks like good, solid lockup to me!

 

[Kaizen1]

Very cool. I just committed to buying one. This helps a lot- Thanks!

 

[bladeprince]

That looks like good, solid lockup to me!

Yes, it is a good lockup as long as the lock is receiving a "pressure" instead of an "impact". You may wish to read this thread. I did a number of posts in this thread but still think the Manix is a fantastic work/camp knife. But for self defense, I will not carry a lockback anymore. It all depends on what one expects from a knife and what ones purpose for it is going to be. And that's the case for all knives, of course, not just the Manix.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432805

Regards

 

[Fooj]

I took my large manix apart for a lint inspection and just have a look and thought I would share.


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I love the very complete markings of place of manufacture!

 

[moonwilson]

Thanks for the pics! Saves me the trouble of taking mine apart for a look-see. Look at all that steel! It's like they took a huge billet and cut away all the parts that didn't look like a knife.

I'm desperately in love with my Manix. (In a strictly platonic sense, of course.) It has ruined me for all other (locking/folding) knives.

 

[Bors]

Thanks for the pics! Saves me the trouble of taking mine apart for a look-see. Look at all that steel! It's like they took a huge billet and cut away all the parts that didn't look like a knife.

I'm desperately in love with my Manix. (In a strictly platonic sense, of course.) It has ruined me for all other (locking/folding) knives.

It definatly has that bank vault look about it. It definatly is a well made knife.

 

[Twindog]

I'm having a hard time seeing how this knife would fail the whack test unless the person is also putting pressure on the lock release. It would also be interesting to see how uniform the lock-up is from knife to knife.

 

[talonturbo]

I'm having a hard time seeing how this knife would fail the whack test unless the person is also putting pressure on the lock release. It would also be interesting to see how uniform the lock-up is from knife to knife.

Some lockbacks just "pop" out of place when suddenly smacked. There have been vids.

 

[Bors]

I'm having a hard time seeing how this knife would fail the whack test unless the person is also putting pressure on the lock release. It would also be interesting to see how uniform the lock-up is from knife to knife.

So am I. I flipped the knife over and it's easy to see that if your not really attentive to how your gripping it you could easily relieve/release the lock.
I've never really seen much need for the spine wack test in general. Close detailed examination should tell you or at least give you a very good indication as to the condition of the lock.

I agree it would be interesting to see the overall uniformity however, one must believe that spyderco has QC procedures in place to help maintain consistancy. But then again even with good QC procedures inplace it's still possible for an out of spec one to slip by.

 

[Bors]

Some lockbacks just "pop" out of place when suddenly smacked. There have been vids.

True to some extent however, I believe the main reason locks "POP" is do to poor design considerations.
If anything this lock is well over engineered with what appear to be good tolerances.

 

[talonturbo]

True to some extent however, I believe the main reason locks "POP" is do to poor design considerations.
If anything this lock is well over engineered with what appear to be good tolerances.

I love Spydies, but most of the times I've seen this happen has been with this particular brand...mostly on the smaller ones though

 

[HoB]

Yes, it is a good lockup as long as the lock is receiving a "pressure" instead of an "impact". You may wish to read this thread.

You mean the tread in which I posted myself about a Manix that failed the spine whack test?

 

[4 s ter]

Yes, it is a good lockup as long as the lock is receiving a "pressure" instead of an "impact". You may wish to read this thread. I did a number of posts in this thread but still think the Manix is a fantastic work/camp knife. But for self defense, I will not carry a lockback anymore. It all depends on what one expects from a knife and what ones purpose for it is going to be. And that's the case for all knives, of course, not just the Manix.

Buried in the midst of all the posts in the thread you linked to is one By Sal Glesser. One statement by Sal is worth considering before a blanket condemnation of the Manix (or lockbacks) is issued. He said:

"Regarding the Manix, We had a few problems with some early pieces. The knives were replaced and the problems were solved. Something we can do when our customers return the pieces and we get to study them. We've had no complaints for some time."

David

 

[bladeprince]

Buried in the midst of all the posts in the thread you linked to is one By Sal Glesser. One statement by Sal is worth considering before a blanket condemnation of the Manix (or lockbacks) is issued. He said:

"Regarding the Manix, We had a few problems with some early pieces. The knives were replaced and the problems were solved. Something we can do when our customers return the pieces and we get to study them. We've had no complaints for some time."

David

If you had read the entire thread, you would have seen a post where I acknowledged Sal's comment and and that I admitted it was possible I may have one of those knives (although I don't think so). I've never seen so many people repeating each others posts or responding to posts with incomplete information as I do on internet forums. I guess that's the nature of some people...laziness. And what's with the blue letters?

 

[bladeprince]

You mean the tread in which I posted myself about a Manix that failed the spine whack test?

Yes, I don't remember everyone's name that posted.

 

[Vivi]

Yes, it is a good lockup as long as the lock is receiving a "pressure" instead of an "impact". You may wish to read this thread. I did a number of posts in this thread but still think the Manix is a fantastic work/camp knife. But for self defense, I will not carry a lockback anymore. It all depends on what one expects from a knife and what ones purpose for it is going to be. And that's the case for all knives, of course, not just the Manix.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432805

Regards

Have you experienced any other lockback failures aside from your faulty Manix?

 

[bladeprince]

Have you experienced any other lockback failures aside from your faulty Manix?

No, but I haven't tested any others yet. I made another posting on the "other" Manix thread with a few thoughts and a short movie.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432805&page=4
In short, I think the Manix may be more prone to more failures because of its greater mass. I haven't tried it yet but I'm guessing that a Delica (for example) would have to hit the spine with more force than the Manix for it to fail. I also wonder if a stronger spring might fix the problem. I'll do a test when I get some time.

Thanks for being curtious. These types of discussions seem to bring out the good and the bad in many people.

Regards

 

[gunmike1]

After spine whacking several spyderco lockbacks, from the Jess Horn on up through the Manix's, I have never seen one come close to failing. And I put a hell of a whack on the Manix, along with some faster, lighter whacks with no ill effects. I did have an Endura wave with excessive blade play, but Spyderco replaced that as soon as I sent it in, along with a letter that they would study to find out what caused the problem. If you read some of the stuff Cliff Stamp did with the Manix and the Chinook with no real issues I would write yours up as part of a bad run that the owner of Spyderco admitted to, and told us how the problem was solved. Yes, for you the failure rate is 100%, but I guarantee if you send it to Spyderco they will make it right. Either way, I think you should send the knife in and see what Spyderco does, and post the results. Personally, I'd be much more worried about torquing a liner lock closed on my fingers than having a problem with a properly fitted lockback, but I've had neither design fail me in any use so far..

 

[bladeprince]

After spine whacking several spyderco lockbacks, from the Jess Horn on up through the Manix's, I have never seen one come close to failing. And I put a hell of a whack on the Manix, along with some faster, lighter whacks with no ill effects. I did have an Endura wave with excessive blade play, but Spyderco replaced that as soon as I sent it in, along with a letter that they would study to find out what caused the problem. If you read some of the stuff Cliff Stamp did with the Manix and the Chinook with no real issues I would write yours up as part of a bad run that the owner of Spyderco admitted to, and told us how the problem was solved. Yes, for you the failure rate is 100%, but I guarantee if you send it to Spyderco they will make it right. Either way, I think you should send the knife in and see what Spyderco does, and post the results. Personally, I'd be much more worried about torquing a liner lock closed on my fingers than having a problem with a properly fitted lockback, but I've had neither design fail me in any use so far..

Your advice is well taken. Even though I've only had it 6-8 months, there is no way to tell how long it sat on the shelf or what batch of knives it came from. I'll be sending it in tomorrow and will post any results/comments from Spyderco. It will probably be a couple of weeks or so.

Thanks