Interesting desciption

[Jollyjumbuck]

Saw this paragraph in an auction.

I guess this guy isn't collecting anymore.


"These knives display the quality that Buck Knives once upon a time produced. Those days are gone forever. Today, the majority of their knives are imported from Asia, and their sheaths are made in Mexico. The knives that are still produced in the United States are now garbage. They come jam packed with ebony polishing compound, and have very poor fit and finish. The edges are now ground high and thin, making the edge very weak and vulnerable to rolling. Consider yourself lucky if you find one where the edge grind is actually even on both sides. Today, Buck is little more than a marketer of their name. An abundance of gripes and complaints can be seen here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=701 Today, Buck Knives produces a larger array of quality excuses than knives."

Maybe I'm an odd one out but none of my knives have any problems and in my opinion they're still the best knives in the world. :thumbup:

MODS: I hope this post is ok as I have not linked to any auction, included any item number or included any of the description concerning type of knife etc. If it's not feel free to remove and I apolagize in advance.

 

[mainewoodsman]

Saw this paragraph in an auction.

I guess this guy isn't collecting anymore.


"These knives display the quality that Buck Knives once upon a time produced. Those days are gone forever. Today, the majority of their knives are imported from Asia, and their sheaths are made in Mexico. The knives that are still produced in the United States are now garbage. They come jam packed with ebony polishing compound, and have very poor fit and finish. The edges are now ground high and thin, making the edge very weak and vulnerable to rolling. Consider yourself lucky if you find one where the edge grind is actually even on both sides. Today, Buck is little more than a marketer of their name. An abundance of gripes and complaints can be seen here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=701 Today, Buck Knives produces a larger array of quality excuses than knives."

Maybe I'm an odd one out but none of my knives have any problems and in my opinion they're still the best knives in the world. :thumbup:

MODS: I hope this post is ok as I have not linked to any auction, included any item number or included any of the description concerning type of knife etc. If it's not feel free to remove and I apolagize in advance.

He is obviously misinformed... found the item(s), he'll never get his starting bid - LOL

 

[kyhunt]

I collect Case, Buck, Schatt & Morgan, and old Schrade. I will take my Bucks anyday over the others for a good looking good using knife. If I had to get rid of everything (knives) I have and could only keep two. It would be my stag 110AG and my Vanguard Ag. Both great knives with great fit and finish.

 

[GOSHEN]

Is that guy serious?! Everything he said is the exact opposite of what I've experienced!

 

[jimmer_5]

Actually, 70% of the knives Buck makes are produced right here in Idaho. The 30% that come from Asia are expected to meet Buck's standards for quality. The only way we can achieve this is by sending our engineers to China regularly to work with the factories that produce our knives. We don't just send a design to China and have the factory manufacture the knife to their standards - we go into the factory and work with them to raise the quality of their finished goods. This process is mutually beneficial to both us and the factory - we get a high quality product for our customers, and the factory attracts more business because the quality of their work gets noticed.
Would it change anyone's opinion if they knew that the knives we produce in China are designed and Engineered in America, and that the process takes just as long regardless of where the product is produced? Perhaps not, but it is food for thought.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm sure that there are people out there who wish that Buck Knives were produced exactly the same as they were in the 60's. The truth is that times and technology change, and we have American engineers working hard every day to continue improving our production processes so we can build as many knives as we can in America.
At the same time, we are working to make sure that no matter how many knives we make, that those knives are built with the quality that our customers expect. I'm sorry for the long rambling post, and I welcome both positive and negative opinions of our products - we need both kinds of information to continue improving our designs.

 

[jimmer_5]

Sorry, one more comment. I know that many Buck customers are frustrated by an American company outsourcing products to Chinese factories. As I said before, we do everything we can to make a product here in the USA, but at the end of the day, we need to fill all the needs of the market. There are lots and lots of loyal Buck customers that buy our American made products, and we will always be there for them. These customers make thier voices heard, and we are an American company that is committed to making an American product. However, there is also a need in the market for quality knives at a rock bottom cost, and we can't ignore those customers either. Ok, I'm stepping down from my soapbox now!

 

[Alberta Ed]

Whoever posted that comment about Buck quality obviously has his head in a very dark place. I've used Buck knives for over two decades with perfect satisfaction. They're not the only knives in my collection, but their designs and materials have steadily improved over the years.

 

[GOSHEN]

Thanks jimmer. Very well said. I was very ipressed with the quality control at the factroy when I was there. I didn't realize ALL Buck knives go through those doors. Keep up the good work! And did that guy say that Most Bucks are made overseas??

 

[Buckaholic]

MODS: I hope this post is ok as I have not linked to any auction, included any item number or included any of the description concerning type of knife etc. If it's not feel free to remove and I apolagize in advance.

JJ...Never be sorry. Never need an excuse.

Thanks for the post.
Anyone that has to market goods that speak for themselves by using passive agressive verbiage or back handed compliments has some self esteem issues or is so cocky that he's just an ass.
If I were associated with Buck, I would tell the guy to change the description as it is not based on fact.
Funny he linked this forum...more good write ups than bad as a percentage.

I was gonna write the guy myself but decided why waste my time with an ass.
So, he'll have to read it here.

Guess I won't win the 110 Damascus set he is selling.

Jimmer...I have been seal clubbed for posting my opinions about China before.
But I will be polite as I can in stating that, for me, it's not so much that you "off shore", it's more "who" you off shore to that bugs me.
Guess it's your business who your friends are. Just don't bring your friend to my house for dinner.

That's all I have to say about that.
Gump.

 

[GOSHEN]

Goose you are right, most posts here are positive. But here is thing I like. Joe and C.J listen to the negetive and try to address and-or correct. THAT is a dedication to quality IMO.

 

[Jollyjumbuck]

I thought you guys may have found this persons comments interesting.

Insulting Buck seems like a strange way to sell buck knives to buck collectors.

 

[Hawkeye5]

Very well said Goose.Put my name in line behind you.:thumbup:

Hawkeye

 

[mainewoodsman]

Hey Goose -- Could not have said it better myself.

Jimmer -- thank you for your posts, I have used and been a big proponent of Buck knives since the 70's. I use them every day and carry them every day. Today it's a 70/30 split between USA and China manufactoring... what's the picture 10 years from now?

 

[mainewoodsman]

I thought you guys may have found this persons comments interesting.

Insulting Buck seems like a strange way to sell buck knives to buck collectors.

Jolly, It occured to me later that he using these baseless allegations to support his way overpriced intial asking bid. Agressive marketing as gump put it

He's an ass and an arrogant idiot

 

[wh4f]

I guess this guy isn't collecting anymore.

Quote from "seller";
Today, Buck Knives produces a larger array of quality excuses than knives."




I guess we are all entitled to our own opinions, even asses...

As far as your quote JJB, that may be a good thing for other collectors competing for those knives ...

Although he is out of the realm of value for most of them (IMHO)

My newest Bucks are my favs. Especially the S30V 110... No edge rolling here LOL...



I think you nailed it Goose

 

[jimmer_5]

Hey Goose -- Could not have said it better myself.

Jimmer -- thank you for your posts, I have used and been a big proponent of Buck knives since the 70's. I use them every day and carry them every day. Today it's a 70/30 split between USA and China manufactoring... what's the picture 10 years from now?

In my post earlier, I was trying to allude to the fact that we work hard to get the most out of our US factory capacity so we don't have to produce as many knives in China. As for the future, we would like to continue to produce most of our knives in the USA. I can't really estimate percentages any further than saying that I don't believe that offshore products will ever overtake our American made products. We want to make American product just as much as our customers.

 

[Robert Ptacel]

Just within the last week I purchased a Buck 119 from Walmart for $34.96. I didn't open the box I just paid for it and left. On my way home I began to wonder how can they price them like that. Upon arriving home I found it had a nylon sheath.I was a little disappointed at first but it seems well made. I guess if you have to meet a price point it is best not to skimp on the knife itself. I found the knives fit and finish to be excellent. I bought my first Buck, a 105, in 1973 and the finish on the new ones are better. I wish I still had that knife. I do have one question I have noticed through the years various sheath knives have a rub mark on the end of the pommel. What is that from? Just curious. Quality knife at a great price.

 

[A.P.F.]

For years now, I have watched both US and Canadian companies outsource materials and manufacturing to China. The results have been massive layoffs in N.America and frequent chronic unemployment or underemployment of it's citizens. Yes, we get cheaper products, but at what cost? How about vinyl blinds so full of lead that they must be disposed of as toxic waste or plastic toys that are often recalled for safety reasons, or the latest, cheap toothpaste sweetened with antifreeze!

I think that if blame was to be directed, it would ultimately fall at the feet of the consumer. If nobody purchased Chinese product, it would soon be dropped from a companies product lineup. So, with the above in mind, I vote with my dollars. I have Buck knives made in the US; I have Kershaw knives, made in the US; and I have Spyderco knives, made in the US. In fact, most everything I buy is either made in the US or Canada.

This is just one man's rant, and yes, I know that I am typing it on a computer that is largely made up of Chinese parts.

 

[mainewoodsman]

Just within the last week I purchased a Buck 119 from Walmart for $34.96. I didn't open the box I just paid for it and left. On my way home I began to wonder how can they price them like that. Upon arriving home I found it had a nylon sheath.I was a little disappointed at first but it seems well made. I guess if you have to meet a price point it is best not to skimp on the knife itself. I found the knives fit and finish to be excellent. I bought my first Buck, a 105, in 1973 and the finish on the new ones are better. I wish I still had that knife. I do have one question I have noticed through the years various sheath knives have a rub mark on the end of the pommel. What is that from? Just curious. Quality knife at a great price.

It's still a great knife for the price, and it's easy to get a traditional leather sheath.

 

[mainewoodsman]

Jolly -- Checked on that item again today, the item description has been revised. Go figure.