Interesting emails from a member on our raffle...

I've been having an amusing discussion with a member about the raffles that we are currently running, and it's been enlightening to say the least. I've tried to stay polite through this, but I don't like being called a liar or a thief.

I'm not going to publish the emails quite yet, but they are pretty amusing thus far...

Apparently he thinks that this is a scam operation, and we are out bilking you guys of your hard earned money by allowing the raffles to sell more tickets than the cost of the knives, and that we've sold 1000 tickets thus far. He's using his "golf tournament raffles" as his proof that we're scamming you guys, etc.

So, just to remove any illusions, here's the current status on a few things:

We've currently sold:
78 raffle tickets for the Sifu
20 raffle tickets for the Blue Native
36 raffle tickets for the ATAK (our only donated knife)

Do the math on the amount of tickets sold and you'll see that we're not making ton's and ton's of money off this. So, again, this is not a scam, and we are not bilking people out of thousands of dollars to line our greedy capitalist pig running dog imperialist lackey pockets.
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He's also of the impression that the more tickets that are sold, the less the knife is worth to him(?) This is not true. The relative value of the knives to him is inversely proportional to how many tickets he buys. In other words, the more he buys, the less the knife is worth to him. The number of tickets we sell is a completely separate variable from this, and has no bearing on the issue.

I believe he's confusing his odds of winning with how much the knife is worth and some other variables, but it's hard to follow his logic. The more tickets we sell, the lower the chances of winning are, but it doesn't change the value of the knife to the winner.

He also seems to believe that a raffle should operate like a lottery for some reason, which is a mystery to me, since the two are pretty clear in their differences.

He's also of the mistaken impression that this site makes ton's of money and that the banner ads more than cover the bandwidth and software costs. Again, he's sadly mistaken.

Finally, despite his self-perceived omniscience and repeated requests from me, he's yet to provide any sort of solution to our costs problems. Arm-chair quarterbacking at it's finest.

So, whoever among you is getting emails from this Troll, please feel free to ask me or Mike any questions you want about this, and we'll be happy to explain away any mysteries.

Spark

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[This message has been edited by Spark (edited 17 December 1999).]
 
If you don't sell more tickets than the cost of the knife, then the raffle is useless.

But now that we have a free forum, next we should all get free knives. Yeah, that's the ticket. So, the Sifu raffle alone should pay for that Lear Jet?

I am sorry that at the present I can't afford to participate in the raffle. I would like to say that I sincerely appreciate all the forum members that support this site so I can still be a part.
 
I guess I can see where he is coming from, as I can usually see both side of something pretty well. But a raffle is up to the people, they aren't forced into doing it. Suppose a Battle Mistress was raffled, adn only 17 people jumped in on it (it'd be more, I know). Then The Forum would be losing money and it would hurt them. It goes both ways.
People aren't being forced into doing this raffle. If you think about it, raffles almost always make money regardless of what the prize is. So if there is money to be made, it wouldn't surprise me if bladeforums did indeed come out ahead, most raffelers do...
 
Is he, by chance, foaming at the mouth? If he was to bite you Spark tie him up and watch him very closely for ten days. If he was to die abruptly get your ass to the Vet er, I mean doctor as soon as possible!
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Spark, Throw in in with the Nutria! Remember our discussion about when your parking lot floods...
 
78 x $5 = $390 for the Sifu
20 x $5 = $100 for the Native
36 x $5 = $180 for the ATAK (there, I edited it already.
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Not tons of money... only a bit.
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But I guess we could conclude that the raffle was a success, right? As far as I can see, it went a bit beyond break-even at this stage.

Now.. if there are 1000 tickets sold... Everybody will have a merry christmas.
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Dan


[This message has been edited by Dannyc (edited 17 December 1999).]
 
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If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. I don't necessarily agree with the way Lotto is handled in Texas, so I don't buy tickets. No harm, no foul.


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So what's the big deal? This guy needs to get a clue. After all that is the whole point of raffles(to raise money). I don't think the people who bought tickets feel like they are getting ripped off. I know I wouldn't. Some people just need to chill....sheesh.

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Spark,
This person is clearly misinterpreting the purpose (and spirit) of the raffles ... but please DO NOT post his/her e-mails to you, not even anonymously! Stick to the high ground -- mudslinging has been tried repeatedly over the past several weeks, and has proven only to lower the quality of debate and discussion we are capable of holding on the forum.

Or, as a wonderful anonymous quote on Eye's (David Marion Poff's) site goes: "Never argue with an idiot. He bring you down to his level, then beat you with experience."

No purpose in stooping to conquer --

Best wishes for the holidays, all --

Glen


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Oh yeah.. Spark.. Let's not be hasty about calling other people "trolls" unless they prove to be one. As far as I can see, he just wrote what he believed in, and it conflicted with what you believed in.. But that doesn't make him a troll.

You did post a message earlier, telling us to remind you if we find something you say questionable... I believe in giving other people a chance first, before passing judgement.
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Stay cool.

Dan
 
Danny, I've sent thus far 3 emails to this person explaining things. He's yet to even figure out the obvious errors in his own argument, much less read anything of mine. Considering he joined on 12-8 and has 1 post, and is just arguing to argue, I'd say he is a troll... whether he's meaning to be or not.

LOL, this would be funnier if it wasn't so sad.

Spark

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[This message has been edited by Spark (edited 17 December 1999).]
 
Only 20 entries on the Blue Native! Guess I need to buy a raffle ticket or two.

Dave

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Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of More Knives

 
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1 post? and only 10 days ago. Maybe he's still in the lurking stage. Give him time. Trolls do post 1 message only, but they do that to incite a flame war of sorts. This forumite, as far as what I've read from your post, merely believes in something else, and is just defending his views on the matter. Ask 10 people about how things should be done, and you'll get 10 different responses, right?

Oh well, different strokes for different folks...

So, does this mean more raffles will be held in the near future? If this keeps up, I'm sure it'll help support the site a bit. Now, if ever you do get 1000 raffle tickets sold, MAYBE you can send some of us free knives in return.. lol..
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... or I'll start trolling... lol...

I'm not greedy.. another BF T-shirt will do. I loved the one I got.
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Dan
 
Obviously, this member is interested enough to send you a note. Its only when they walk away that we need to worry. Respect the guy who complains he a good customer.
 
I am patiently waiting for someone to correct Dannyc for calling the Mad Dog a Busse, or for someone to ask if they have a joint venture going? ha ha
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OOPS, someone beat me to it! EDIT EDIT!
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[This message has been edited by Rob Simonich (edited 17 December 1999).]
 
ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was really stupid of me...
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Sorry for blemishing Busse's name, people!! It was an honest mistake!
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Thanks for pointing it out to me, Ewok.
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Rob, joint venture?! You wish!!! lol!!
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Dan

PS. Dang... I used my 1,000th post editing a typo error! hahahahaha!!!
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[This message has been edited by Dannyc (edited 17 December 1999).]
 
Actually, I'd think the value of the knife itself is fixed. It's the value of the tickets, that is, the expected return on investment, that changes with the number of tickets purchased.

For example, if I value the MD knife at $5
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and 36 tickets are sold, one of which I own, my expected return is 1/36 * $5, or about 14 cents. So that's the value of the ticket, assuming I am risk neutral.

If 100 tickets are sold, my expected return, and thus the value of the ticket to me, decreasees to 5 cents.

Could that be what the guy was talking about?

Anyway, it's not a scam; that's just the nature of a raffle.

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