Interesting pattern after quench.

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The first quench didn't harden and 4 extra quenches were bent. The 5th one was hard and straight but came out with this bubble pattern. The steel was the right temp and it was quenched in canola oil. 5160 steel. I kinda like the pattern, it looks like lizard scales but not sure how the metal is underneath. Anyone else run into this?
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It is just a scale pattern some call "blister". It should grind off. It can be caused by overheating sometimes.

Grind it down to clean metal and test the edge by doing a brass rod test.
 
It is just sunburn, that's why you should quench on moolight ;)
Nothing a good brass rod ointment couldn't soothe.

Jokes aside, it looks like that steel have had a bad time at high temperatures into a forge with high oxygen athmosphere.
You might try to shield the blade placing it inside a muffle (just a steel pipe) into the forge next time. Also keep the temperature lower. Every now and then touch your blade with a magnet while getting it red, as soon as the magnet would loose its grab you are approaching your target temperature....let the blade equalize its glow evenly but don't heat it much more than that shade of red.
 
I have found that "blister" is most likely to happen when the steel has been repeatedly heated too high ( and held there too long), quenched, and then re-heated and re-quenched multiple times. I speculate that the quenching cracks the scale ( no harm to the blade, just the scale on the decarb) into little islands. Then on the next heat the decarb grows more along the cracks, eroding around the scale pieces in the hot oxidizing atmosphere. This ends up with the look of a dried lakebed or "bubbles". Many folks check the edge with a file and think the blade did not harden. Grind the edge back a bit and you will find hard steel. After tempering, grind/sand down the bevels to expose the hard steel everywhere.

Now, as to your problem with a warped blade:
When you quench the blade, the structure of the steel is austenite. This is really soft - almost like rubber.
As the temp drops rapidly past the pearlite nose, at 1000F, the structure stays austenite ( supercooled austenite). It is still rubbery.
When it cools to 400F, it starts to convert to martensite ... which is very brittle and hard.
You temper the martensite twice to relieve some of the brittleness and hardness.


During the time between 1000F and 400F the blade can be straightened by hand, put on a wooden board and pounded on with a wooden mallet, stuck in a slot in a 2X4 camped in a vise and twisted, ....etc. It won't break, and will take little pressure to straighten any warp ot twist. This is the time to do as much starightenong as possible. You will feel the blade suddenly start to stiffen as it reaches 400F. Quit any straightening immediately. After The second temper, and while still at the tempering temperature ( around 400F) you can try to straighten smaller twists and warps. Any attempt at room temp straightening will likely end badly.

Except for a severe warp and twist situation, or an incomplete hardening, there is seldom a need to re-heat the blade to straighten it. If you do have to straighten and re-quench a blade, it needs to be normalized first. Heat to around 1650F and let cool to black ( some folks quench each heat), repeat at around 1500F, and again at 1350F and let cool to black, then cool in water. The blade should be given a close check for any warp and straightened. Then you can re-do the hardening quench.
 
Voodoolord, what is the right temp and how did you determine what temp your forge is at?
 
Geez Stacy that was a fantastic read thank you so much. I'll have to save this thread for future reference. Willie, I test with a magnet. I keep one next to me and when it looks like it's getting close I repeatedly check until it's non magnetic then turn the blade over a few times to make sure the heat is even. Then I quench. I have to admit though that after so many quenches I may have got in a hurry and skipped that step a few times. The blade seems to have come out very well and I kinda like the texture after grinding and polishing it a bit. It's going to be a personal knife anyway and I'm still learning so I don't mind some cosmetic imperfections as long as the steel is good.
 
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