Interesting statement by David Fee, VP sales @ Benchmade

If that were true, they could have mentioned that the brick &mortar stores had the same discretion as online shops to discount up to say 20%. Honestly, not buying that one. In any case, the stores around where I'm at seemingly only carry combo edge, black bladed knives. A common 710 costs $195, the 556 runs for about $110. One gun store in particular has the same knives they had 3 years ago, preserved under a fine layer of dust. Almost anyone can open a store, not everyone knows how to really sell and move products. It makes no difference to those with more money than sense though, they don't know any better.

The wife and I were at two gun shops today. One was a large chain store and the other a small mom n pop.

Between both stores they had a vast range of choices but the prices were considerably higher than any online vendor, even with the new prices.

The funny thing is that the small mom n pop said they sold quite a few knives and the larger chain store said they lost the keys to their display cabinet and haven't sold a single knife in over a month.

I was specifically wanting to look at the 940-1 cf, which was $310 at both stores.
 
Were there really issues with the 940-1 ? Interesting.

Lots even allowing for the lightning rod effect of a forum like this. Search this forum... I am not a Benchmade hater, if anything the contrary. But they cannot deliver a consistently good knife, and they are charging premium prices. It doesn't work. :thumbdn:
 
I snipped your post, except for the operative word that could apply either to BM management or what BM thinks of those people who BM thinks are their core customers who will make this strategy work. :(

 
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As long as you guys keep slobbering over a 940-1 that retails for an insane $263.50, Benchmade is going to keep screwing us with their artificially-inflated prices that are not market driven. I would like to own a 940-1 too, but at the price of a CF Sage 1 with S30V ($107 shipped) with a slight premium for the S90V. So basically, you are paying a $130 "up yours" tax to Benchmade for the privilege of letting them sell you a 940-1. So I am absolutely done buying Benchmades. If all of us voted with our credit cards, Benchmade's artificially-inflated pricing would disappear in 3 months. Powernoodle is grumpy! :)

"Premium pricing (also called image pricing or prestige pricing) is the practice of keeping the price of a product or service artificially high in order to encourage favorable perceptions among buyers, based solely on the price. The practice is intended to exploit the tendency for buyers to assume that expensive items enjoy an exceptional reputation or represent exceptional quality and distinction." Link.

More people need to speak up with their dissatisfaction with this practice, and make it known that they are buying used Benchmades rather than new ones. Almost all my recent BM purchases have been used.

I am NOT opposed to paying more, but if I am going to pay more, I want more value. By value, I mean more features and better materials than what is currently being used. Something like the M390 Contego from Knifeworks gives some justification to higher pricing with M390 steel and very intricate G10 work. While still expensive, it's using premium materials. But given a standard 710 now sells for close to that, that's not okay and materials do NOT justify pricing as such.





The problem is, given enough time, it just might work. And we'd be naïve to believe that Benchmade's competitors aren't waiting to see if it does.

It won't.

Things like that worked years ago, but not today. Manufacturing quality from other countries have reached a point of being equal and, in some cases, superior to American-made products. If American-made products start demanding pricing that is completely ridiculous relative to others, sellers are going to expand their offerings, new makers will appear, and consumers are going to change brands (and even mindsets).

Kiser Cutlery is just one example of quickly-advancing quality, and if BM's policy becomes the standard from US makers, there will be new markets from new makers underselling American knives. Chinese makers are especially notable because they are increasing quality at such a rapid rate. The Spyderco Sage 2 Ti shows that conventional perceptions about locality of production affecting quality no longer apply.

This happened with the American steel industry (and almost happened to the American cutlery steel industry). It almost happened with the American automotive industry. It is happening to the flashlight industry. It can and will happen here if all American production manufacturers do this. The mindset that an American product is better by default and can be priced completely disproportionately to competition is toxic to the health of the American manufacturing industry. As I like American knives a lot and prefer them personally, I hope American makers realize this and don't write off international competition by default.

Another reason is if American production makers keep jacking up prices, consumers wanting American-made products will go to custom American makers. Benchmade Gold Class products in Damasteel are often more expensive than Damasteel products made by Brian Tighe. I like BM Gold Class a lot, but it's a laughable comparison to try to compare a Gold Class to a Tighe Stick. Those are not comparable knives.
 
The wife and I were at two gun shops today. One was a large chain store and the other a small mom n pop.

Between both stores they had a vast range of choices but the prices were considerably higher than any online vendor, even with the new prices.

The funny thing is that the small mom n pop said they sold quite a few knives and the larger chain store said they lost the keys to their display cabinet and haven't sold a single knife in over a month.

I was specifically wanting to look at the 940-1 cf, which was $310 at both stores.
Lost the keys? Well, if people can't keep track of their own keys, then it's no wonder Benchmade forced the UPP on everyone. :rolleyes:
 
More people need to speak up with their dissatisfaction with this practice, and make it known that they are buying used Benchmades rather than new ones. Almost all my recent BM purchases have been used.

I am NOT opposed to paying more, but if I am going to pay more, I want more value. By value, I mean more features and better materials than what is currently being used. Something like the M390 Contego from Knifeworks gives some justification to higher pricing with M390 steel and very intricate G10 work. While still expensive, it's using premium materials. But given a standard 710 now sells for close to that, that's not okay and materials do NOT justify pricing as such.







It won't.

Things like that worked years ago, but not today. Manufacturing quality from other countries have reached a point of being equal and, in some cases, superior to American-made products. If American-made products start demanding pricing that is completely ridiculous relative to others, sellers are going to expand their offerings, new makers will appear, and consumers are going to change brands (and even mindsets).

Kiser Cutlery is just one example of quickly-advancing quality, and if BM's policy becomes the standard from US makers, there will be new markets from new makers underselling American knives. Chinese makers are especially notable because they are increasing quality at such a rapid rate. The Spyderco Sage 2 Ti shows that conventional perceptions about locality of production affecting quality no longer apply.

This happened with the American steel industry (and almost happened to the American cutlery steel industry). It almost happened with the American automotive industry. It is happening to the flashlight industry. It can and will happen here if all American production manufacturers do this. The mindset that an American product is better by default and can be priced completely disproportionately to competition is toxic to the health of the American manufacturing industry. As I like American knives a lot and prefer them personally, I hope American makers realize this and don't write off international competition by default.

Another reason is if American production makers keep jacking up prices, consumers wanting American-made products will go to custom American makers. Benchmade Gold Class products in Damasteel are often more expensive than Damasteel products made by Brian Tighe. I like BM Gold Class a lot, but it's a laughable comparison to try to compare a Gold Class to a Tighe Stick. Those are not comparable knives.

I think Ernie Emerson must have missed the memo, he's been charging a premium for years and seems to be doing alright.
 
Another thing, Taiwan is not exactly the same thing as China. Ask folks that live their and they are in agreement with that statement.
 
The problem is, given enough time, it just might work. And we'd be naïve to believe that Benchmade's competitors aren't waiting to see if it does.

That's the real scary part, with what people are paying for limited edition production knives on the secondary market, and not even blinking doing it. I predict we're only going to see prices go up, both at the dealer and manufacturer level. We may see materials improve, and more knives (or editions) with premium blade steel, but it's going to come at a cost.

The customer base for $200-$500 knives seems to have exploded lately, and from what I've seen most consumers don't really seem to demand any real increase in quality compared to $100-$200 production knives. They will buy a $400 knife and defend it's lock rock, poor lockup, weak detent, imperfect grinds etc. etc. to the death. That has to have knife companies giddy with excitement.
 
... They will buy a $400 knife and defend it's lock rock, poor lockup, weak detent, imperfect grinds etc. etc. to the death. That has to have knife companies giddy with excitement.

I know someone like that. :D
 
Were there really issues with the 940-1 ? Interesting.

I don't think there were that many more issues with the 940-1 than with usual BM regular production knives. But when they're selling what would've been a $200 knife six months ago for $260, people do (and should) expect to see another $60 worth of refinement - so uneven grinds, play - even adjustable - out of the box, uncentered blades - these things are suddenly going to become a lot less acceptable, and people are going to complain about them.

For the record, mine was pretty good out of the box - centered, smooth, even grinds, no play. It was just duller than I'd expect from something just from the factory. Five minutes on the sharpmaker, problem solved. I like it quite a bit now.
 
I think Ernie Emerson must have missed the memo, he's been charging a premium for years and seems to be doing alright.

Extremely overpriced.On top of that, their warranty, customer service,and availability of parts are no where close to Benchmade.
 
Extremely overpriced.On top of that, their warranty, customer service,and availability of parts are no where close to Benchmade.

I've never used their warranty, but have spoken to cs on occasion and they were very helpful. You are right about parts though, they don't just put them in your hands free of charge like Benchmade does.

Quite honestly, the level of service and communication that Benchmade provides is worth the added cost to me and part of the reason I am a loyal fan. Between replacement parts being mailed to me (ask for one I get four), and old users being refurbished to like new condition in two weeks or less (again free of charge), I find it very easy to justify my continued purchases.

Another thing, I like their knives. I have more than enough to last several lifetimes so every one that I buy is a luxury that I don't need and a complete waste of money, I really just don't give a crap if they decide to charge more.
 
It sounds to me that more of you are upset more about the new price rule rather than what a new Benchmade would actually cost you. Like I had said earlier, I think this is more about the quality of the transaction and promoting customer service than end user cost, I've found a couple local dealers already that have no intention of following the new price program. By supporting local brick and mortar shops over whoever can advertise the lowest price on the internet is good business in my opinion. Brad
 
Another thing, Taiwan is not exactly the same thing as China. Ask folks that live their and they are in agreement with that statement.

In a sense of manufacturing capability (did not mean to imply cultural), I don't think there is a default difference. We are seeing good quality products come from all over the world (likewise, we are seeing bad products do this as well). Both KAI and Spyderco have shown that good knives can come from just about anywhere, and that location/origin isn't an exact way to assess quality, pricing, or value.
 
It sounds to me that more of you are upset more about the new price rule rather than what a new Benchmade would actually cost you. Like I had said earlier, I think this is more about the quality of the transaction and promoting customer service than end user cost, I've found a couple local dealers already that have no intention of following the new price program. By supporting local brick and mortar shops over whoever can advertise the lowest price on the internet is good business in my opinion. Brad

What a Benchmade will cost me absolutely is what concerns me. Of the 50-80? Benchmades I currently own, the hundreds I have owned, and the thousands I have sold, most of those transactions occurred in an era in which Benchmade knives were considered one of the best values on the market, and one of the finest knives you could get in its price-point. Part of the reason I purchased so many limited editions Benchmades (instead of from other makers) was because of that value aspect. That created brand loyalty which many long time Benchmade owners feel is being scrapped (myself included).

I may not be understanding this, but how does a higher price make a transaction more "quality"? If a dealer marks up a $30,000 car another $10,000 over sticker price and what all comparable cars with comparable options cost, does that make it a better buy for the consumer?

Many of the online shops that sell knives are in fact smaller brick and mortar stores. I buy from them. I've worked for two. They are small American businesses, often with smaller shops, a hand full of employees, and operating from an area in which in-person sales alone are not sufficient (and certainly not sufficient with these higher prices). And Benchmade now forces them to either abide by pricing that they can no longer set themselves, or risk losing the ability to sell BM knives. So I don't think this policy benefits all small businesses in the long run, and I certainly don't think it benefits end consumers who today are paying more money for the same product? (or are buying a different knife from somewhere else, or not at all as many posts on this forum and other knife forums show...)
 
At first I was irritated at the price hike. Now I don't care. I'm not super wealthy but I am doing alright. That said, I decided to take a look around and see what other knives I could find from other manufacturers that had what BM offered and were still made in the USA. That is still important to me. There are only a handful of knives that are made in the USA with premium materials like BM. Thing is the knives are either Kershaw/ZT or Spyderco. Spyderco doesn't make a small G10 handles knife that is made in the USA. Both the Para 2 and the Manix 2 are a bit large for office work. Same with the ZT 0566 or the ZT 0350. About the only thing out there that has G10 handles and is made in the USA with a 3" blade is a Skyline. If I want something else.....Benchmade has a lot to offer.

The other thing I don't get is where people are saying the lacking QC. I've bought about 5 BM's in the last 3 months and none of them had issues. All were perfect and the blades were shaving sharp. Where are you folks getting bad QC buying BM's from? I buy from 3 primary vendors on the web and both are very reputable and well known.

Long story short - I don't think $140 is bad for a BM 903 or an all black Mini Ritter Grip. I also don't think that $160 is bad for a Rift. I don't think that $90 is bad for a Mini-Grip either. Still a great price for a great USA made product.
 
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