Interesting thread regarding Hairy Carry

Considering that SRKW provides unconditional lifetime warranty (in other words if you break it you'll get a new one, no questions asked), those knives are even more amazing. At that price point I can't think of any other knife company matching the warranty and the performance of their knives. In short if you need a beater knife that you can completely depend on in tough situations or easy ones but with tough knife jobs SRKW is definitely a good choice, if not the best.
 
That is a fantastic warranty. WOW!

Edited to add... shoulda known!
 
texastonydobbs said:
Considering that SRKW provides unconditional lifetime warranty (in other words if you break it you'll get a new one, no questions asked), those knives are even more amazing. At that price point I can't think of any other knife company matching the warranty and the performance of their knives. In short if you need a beater knife that you can completely depend on in tough situations or easy ones but with tough knife jobs SRKW is definitely a good choice, if not the best.
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Thats why I always buy from the Busse kin knife companies. You KNOW you are getting a quality knife with a QUALITY WARANTEE backing the knife. You simply cant beat it.:thumbup:
 
texastonydobbs said:
Considering that SRKW provides unconditional lifetime warranty (in other words if you break it you'll get a new one, no questions asked), those knives are even more amazing.
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I dont think that quite right, I believe the warranty is up to the individual user. If you think it should be replaced/repaired it will be. I had heard some intentional abuse isn't covered, but I've always seen it worked out one way or another...
 
There are so few knives broken vs sold that, Swamp Rat/Busse typically just takes care of their customers. Although it appears the HC was not designed as a "hard use" type of knife. It's more of an every day cutter, than an all around sharpened prybar, which most people are use to from these companies.
 
can anyone link to a thread where a higher up in swamp rat (eric, jennifer or anyone else) mentioned the intended use/expectations they have for these knives, and of their heat treatment of 154cm in general?
 
I really like the design of the HC. But didn't buy because I am really only buy Busse family knives based on the steel. 154cm just doesn't do anything for me that my $58 SWARDEN won't do better (or maybe even my spyderco), and I was disappointed in the choice of steel for this knife.

At the risk of sounding overly critical, I really don't find the HC a value at it's current price and feel that SR has made this change to increase profitability... not performance. Again, sorry to be critical, as I am a fan... but this is the wrong direction for success in the knife (or any other) industry.

On the other hand, I find my other SW's to be an excellent value. SR101 performs very close to INFI, although it does require a bit more care in the corrosion department. Bring back the SR101! :thumbup:

Reminds me of what Dad used to say... "if it ain't broke... don't fix it..." ;)
 
I was told, because of the heat treatment that Swamp Rat/Busses uses, that the 154 would out perform 154 steel on other knifes. Is this true or not?
 
kdstrick, I wouldnt worry, Its not like SRKW is going to go full into this stainless for the whole line! Its only for limited production, I dont think we will see a stainless chopper anytime soon.

Why do you think that the HC is done only for more profit???? Like the D2 knives, its a novel and limited thing. Dont try too look deeper than its intended.
 
leatherman said:
kdstrick, I wouldnt worry, Its not like SRKW is going to go full into this stainless for the whole line! Its only for limited production, I dont think we will see a stainless chopper anytime soon.

Why do you think that the HC is done only for more profit???? Like the D2 knives, its a novel and limited thing. Dont try too look deeper than its intended.
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Thanks for the reassurance Leatherman... I was worried that 154cm was going to be the "new" steel for Swamprat :eek:. :barf: The word on the forum (can't find the thread) is that Jerry got a good deal on a bunch of steel.... thus my speculation about the extra profit possibility of the HC.

I really like the SR101... it is fantastic. :thumbup: I really hope we haven't seen the last of it. :)
 
suttond said:
I was told, because of the heat treatment that Swamp Rat/Busses uses, that the 154 would out perform 154 steel on other knifes. Is this true or not?
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for toughness, probably. for wear resistence/hardness, probably. but different then you might think.

with most of the steels that run through the busse family of companies, they are heat treated to increase toughness without losing hardness, the entire idea being that the last thing you ever want to see on your knife is a chipped edge. certain steels take to this better then others, infi, a2, 52100 (or the modified version sr101) all do very well being tool steels. swamp rat did a very good job of getting as much toughness out of d2 as seemed possible, more then has probably ever been achieved before.

and so I'm sure it is with 154cm. however, unlike the tool steels listed above, 154cm is not known for it's toughness, and will inherently have lower abilities where toughness is concerned - even with the absolute best heat treat on earth.

so I would assume that if you stack 5 companies blades along side the swamp rat hc with equivelent blade and edge geometries - swamp rat will be able to take the most abuse at the same hardness without chipping at the edge or breaking. BUT, I would expect ALL of them to fail well before the same knife made of a tool steel like 52100.
 
The D2 SRKW offerings were great! They've been discontinued for some time now and demand has seemed to remain for some small stainless blades. I kinda figured that's why the 154/H.C. showed up.

I've got no insight into the choice of 154cm for the steel used - I'm just a forum mod. I would be surprised if the decision was made based largely on profit based reasons. Most every discussion I've seen among blademakers on BFC seems to indicate the actual cost of the steel was a small part of the overall cost of manufacture. Steel expense being hugely overshadowed by labor and other fixed costs.
 
it is quite possible that jerry had a bit stockpile of it from previous testing, or they were able to find a really good deal on a large quantity of it.

154cm, bg42 and s30v are all good stainless steels for slicers, and thats what the hc is meant to be. strong enough to not kill swamp rat on warranty repairs for those who try to pry with them, but thin enough to be good for edc tasks.

given previous threads complaining about limited steel choices from the you know who company, it's nice to see other steel offerings regardless of whether I want them or not. if I did actually want 154cm for the steel - 154cm from swamp rat or scrap yard would be what I'd want.

Paddling_man said:
The D2 SRKW offerings were great! They've been discontinued for some time now and demand has seemed to remain for some small stainless blades. I kinda figured that's why the 154/H.C. showed up.

I've got no insight into the choice of 154cm for the steel used - I'm just a forum mod. I would be surprised if the decision was made based largely on profit based reasons. Most every discussion I've seen among blademakers on BFC seems to indicate the actual cost of the steel was a small part of the overall cost of manufacture. Steel expense being hugely overshadowed by labor and other fixed costs.
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my guess ...


considering the 154cm Rats were the sharpest knife I walked away with at Blade, excluding the Comp Finish Busse SE's, bar none!

THey are hairy popping sharp and ready to go.


I think kinda like the SE's were done to show how factory sharp the Busse family of Knives are, and that they are some of the sharpest available out of the box.

Destroying the myth that they are only prybars.

I have never witnessed THe Busse Family take any shortcuts or make any excuses for any reason.

Jerry and company didn't use 154 cause it was cheaper. The man drove 5 Hummers from Ohio to Atlanta and back. Yeah its was cheaper that way.

I have only witnessed Busse do things the right way for the right reasons:thumbup::cool:


They call me "CHEESE GRATER" in the SWAMP!
 
My only concern about the HC is that I get one! HD is a good guy but is used to the Mutts which can handle a pry like that easily. Busse is making a different type of knife but it is not like they are stopping making the hard use ones. I am actually happy that they are making sharp durable knives rather than obtuse indestructible ones. The DMCG was not very good for actually cutting stuff.
 
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