Into the wild

mystical woodsman said:
I honestly think he planned to die, or at least didn't really care enough to spend a lot of time studying or buying proper supplies. He was all for the adventure. He supposedly died from cold and starvation from what I hear (I have yet to see the movie and I haven't read the book but I have read up on him here and there). Before he died, he took a picture of himself holding a sign that said "goodbye", and he was smiling, as if to finally be at peace with knowing he was going home to rest. As for me, I have studied a bit on how to properly field dress different kinds of animals... I have really good supplies that I've spent a year gathering (they are EXPENSIVE and I needed to learn which ones had the best quality for my intended situations).
I myself plan to go off the grid right before the general elections, and more than likely I might die but I don't worry about it. I have planned this for almost two years, and if I die, more than likely it will be by some federal agent ranger dude who is tasked to track possible "dissidents" who fled their state because of martial law (or some other fucked up reason). America is going to collapse, and the powers that be, are going to strengthen their grip on the Constitution and a lot of people are going to die. That is why I bought a handgun and invested in some damn good camping gear while learning woods lore.
I know the main tip in learning woods lore, is going out and trying ideas on for "size" and practice. I haven't been able to do that really because I don't have a car and no REAL friends who are interested in these things. Sad. Whenever I tell people the dire straits and state of affairs our country is in, they usually get bored and start talking about sports or cars or what fast food joint they plan to get their next lunch from. They have no idea... I can't see how more people don't think like me, or why the Hell God hasn't introduced more people like myself to me (I am a really cool kick ass person hehhe) so I assume I am going to do this alone. I feel I am very capable of hacking it in the bush with what I have (knowledge and equipment), but I am sorta nervous because I have had no training at least to hone my knowledge into a working second nature.
In any event, I know I will pray a lot in the wild, because that is the main reason I am going out there... to commune if you will with the universe. Some people might think that is gay sounding, but fuck it. That is the truth. Again, I might die, but fuck it, I will do my best to stay alive and survive but the most important thing I will be doing is praying and developing my relationship with things that are not of this earth. Perhaps, with hope I will develop the eyes to "see" things as they really are, and I just may end up being a forest spirit lol. That is what we all are anyways... just think about that for a second.

Peace.
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I don't know if my sarcasm detector is broken or what. I hope you're joking.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
isnt this also speculation? or do you have information not available to the rest of us?

fabrication is intentionally creating a false story.

speculation is hypothesizing an unknown based on known information.

they are not the same.
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In a magazine article about the guy, they mentioned testing the seeds the author blamed for his death, and they proved non-toxic. (Seeds in a jar that the author saw in the bus) The new spin is yet another attempt to invent a way to maintain his fictional "accidental death" version of the story.

The author is clearly not interested in facts.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
In a magazine article about the guy, they mentioned testing the seeds the author blamed for his death, and they proved non-toxic. (Seeds in a jar that the author saw in the bus) The new spin is yet another attempt to invent a way to maintain his fictional "accidental death" version of the story.

The author is clearly not interested in facts.
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True enough, but then again, a simple transcript of the police report wouldn't exactly make the best seller list now would it?
 
kgd said:
True enough, but then again, a simple transcript of the police report wouldn't exactly make the best seller list now would it?
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Nor would it make the dead guy into a visionary dreamer worthy of admiration.(Which was the Author's intention all along) "He was doing so well, curse those seeds/Mold on seeds/genetically altered poison seeds/evil hunter jealous of his freedom/mercenary squirrels/alien attack!!!!" it doesn't matter what fiction is used, as long as people eat it up and it isn't his fault.

Would all the clueless people still have made their pilgrimages to the bus if it was simply where a crazy guy starved to death due to his own shortcomings?
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Would all the clueless people still have made their pilgrimages to the bus if it was simply where a crazy guy starved to death due to his own shortcomings?
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Hmm, you got me thinking here Rat. Kind of the same thing with Princess Dianna....People love a tragedy and they fall in love with the story, not necessarily the plot.
 
Saw the movie last night and other than being dreadfully boring for most of the 2+ hours, I have to agree with the consensus here and say that it's been dressed up to be some "finding yourself" epic rather than a story of someone who bit off more than they bargained for. Of course after seeing that Sean Penn's name was in the credits I expected said amount of existential bulltripe.

What always gets me about these stories is the message that people try and portray. The, "only the bravest people can throw off convention" crap. I'm sorry, but getting up early in the morning and going to your job for 30+ years, raising kids and the whole lot is far more difficult and challenging than "bucking the system". All this guy did was run away from his problems. No honor in that.

Don't get me wrong. Its an entirely different thing to go out an experience life from a different perspective. However to burn your cash and your ID, not tell your family, and do all the stupid things this kid just reeks of immaturity. The article lauded him for being honest and respecting the truth. Someone who keeps his parents in the dark, and causes them 3 years of pain followed by a lifetime of sorrow hasn't the slightest idea of what truth is.

What I think best sums this up is the following statement by an Alaskan Park ranger... “I am exposed continually to what I will call the ‘McCandless Phenomenon.’ People, nearly always young men, come to Alaska to challenge themselves against an unforgiving wilderness landscape where convenience of access and possibility of rescue are practically nonexistent. When you consider McCandless from my perspective, you quickly see that what he did wasn’t even particularly daring, just stupid, tragic, and inconsiderate. First off, he spent very little time learning how to actually live in the wild. He arrived at the Stampede Trail without even a map of the area. If he [had] had a good map he could have walked out of his predicament. Essentially, Chris McCandless committed suicide.”
 
STAGE 2 said:
What always gets me about these stories is the message that people try and portray. The, "only the bravest people can throw off convention" crap. I'm sorry, but getting up early in the morning and going to your job for 30+ years, raising kids and the whole lot is far more difficult and challenging than "bucking the system". [/i]
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I have to agree with this statement. This probably one of the most poignant critics I heard on this subject yet. Nicely worded!
 
Hollywood tends to glamorize the psycho-anti-social loner-type as a "rugged individualist."

They two are very different in real life, however.
 
kgd said:
I have to agree with this statement. This probably one of the most poignant critics I heard on this subject yet. Nicely worded!
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Personally, I liked:

alco141 said:
mother nature is not your psychotherapist
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The simple fact that he never took a map suggests that he wasn't planning to come out of the woods again, or never even thought that far ahead. Alaska isn't the sort of place that you can face winter in the wild without thinking it through.

Not that I have anything against idealists. Myself, I believe the world would be a better place if everybody could experience what it means to provide for your basic needs from first principals in the wild.

But as the saying goes 'If you think that you can fly, try taking off from the ground first.'
 
Do a google image search on his name. Plenty will come up. But also many pics from the movie.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Would all the clueless people still have made their pilgrimages to the bus if it was simply where a crazy guy starved to death due to his own shortcomings?
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I had no idea it had become some sort of a Mecca. That's really a pretty sad commentary on some people's ideals.
 
CanDo said:
Alright, I'll bite:
mystical woodsman,

Are you serious? Just in case it changes your plans, please know that the president doesn't change at the elections... that happens a few months later. Anyway, I hear you, but America has been through worse - unless perhaps, there's something you know that the rest of us don't.
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Of course I am serious. Martial law is going to be declared SOON. Congress just convened behind closed doors recently, and the information is leaking out that Martial law will be declared around September. Call me a conspiracy theorist, and even if somehow time goes on without nothing happening, it will regardless come to that, mark my words. The Lisbon Treaty is being debated over and more than likely will come to pass which is nothing short of prophetic concerning Daniels dream interpretation about the last great empire. Don't let me get started about the little group in Brussels, the building they are housed in and the iconography they blatantly use that is also in Revelations.

The dollar is collapsing, and sooner than later we will be watching our loved ones starve due to the coming Greater Depression. The Amero will be introduced which will unite Canada, America and Mexico under NAFTA. I can go on and on. Anyways, I am just tired of it. I am tired. I have decided I am not going to be one of the people in the cities who are going to be starved and shot in the street by confused and crazed families (and criminals) who are in search of food and answers. I am going to the woods in Vermont. I know it snows, and I will just have to do what I can. It might be too early, but the last time I checked, I am not auditioning for American Idol now am I? We watch all these stupid reality shows and have been conditioned to criticize whether or not we like someone or what have you, which just makes me vomit. There are more fascinating things to do in life than sit on our fat butt and watch garbage that eats your brain. How about prayer? How about thinking a really positive thought and try to help someone? Or... learn skills that are ancient like hunting and communing with nature?

Indeed, I am a novice mystic, but I just am honoring a calling I have felt strongly within myself. I knew, inevitably I would do this sometime in my life soon, and I am feeling it stronger now than ever. I keep feeling something big is about to happen. If for some reason it doesn't go down before the General Elections, who cares. I will be busying myself with experimenting in the woods. I will be catching and eating anything I can and basically spiritually getting back to what matters most, honest self reflection and sincere communications to things of the spirit. Call me a tree hugger, but that is what I am going to do. We are eternal creatures. We are allowing a tool (money) to literally run our world. We are allowing evil bastards to tell us how to live. I am just sick of it all. I will go the way of Lao Tzu and Thoreau.

I know I may very likely die or be hunted down but I don't worry about that. I will defend myself as best as I can. If I die, at least I have been true to myself and the divine spirit that is within me that connects me to everything else. That is all that matters in the end anyways.

This is my story. What is yours?
 
mystical woodsman said:
Of course I am serious. Martial law is going to be declared SOON. Congress just convened behind closed doors recently, and the information is leaking out that Martial law will be declared around September. Call me a conspiracy theorist, and even if somehow time goes on without nothing happening, it will regardless come to that, mark my words. The Lisbon Treaty is being debated over and more than likely will come to pass which is nothing short of prophetic concerning Daniels dream interpretation about the last great empire. Don't let me get started about the little group in Brussels, the building they are housed in and the iconography they blatantly use that is also in Revelations.

The dollar is collapsing, and sooner than later we will be watching our loved ones starve due to the coming Greater Depression. The Amero will be introduced which will unite Canada, America and Mexico under NAFTA. I can go on and on. Anyways, I am just tired of it. I am tired. I have decided I am not going to be one of the people in the cities who are going to be starved and shot in the street by confused and crazed families (and criminals) who are in search of food and answers. I am going to the woods in Vermont. I know it snows, and I will just have to do what I can. It might be too early, but the last time I checked, I am not auditioning for American Idol now am I? We watch all these stupid reality shows and have been conditioned to criticize whether or not we like someone or what have you, which just makes me vomit. There are more fascinating things to do in life than sit on our fat butt and watch garbage that eats your brain. How about prayer? How about thinking a really positive thought and try to help someone? Or... learn skills that are ancient like hunting and communing with nature?

Indeed, I am a novice mystic, but I just am honoring a calling I have felt strongly within myself. I knew, inevitably I would do this sometime in my life soon, and I am feeling it stronger now than ever. I keep feeling something big is about to happen. If for some reason it doesn't go down before the General Elections, who cares. I will be busying myself with experimenting in the woods. I will be catching and eating anything I can and basically spiritually getting back to what matters most, honest self reflection and sincere communications to things of the spirit. Call me a tree hugger, but that is what I am going to do. We are eternal creatures. We are allowing a tool (money) to literally run our world. We are allowing evil bastards to tell us how to live. I am just sick of it all. I will go the way of Lao Tzu and Thoreau.

I know I may very likely die or be hunted down but I don't worry about that. I will defend myself as best as I can. If I die, at least I have been true to myself and the divine spirit that is within me that connects me to everything else. That is all that matters in the end anyways.

This is my story. What is yours?
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My story is take everything you hear and read on the internet w/a grain of salt. I study, practice and aquire supplies b/c its enjoyable to me to get away for a while and I want to feel confident in my ability to take care of me and my own. Dont disregard the United States of America, many have died to give you the freedom to own that handgun, and maybe instead of running off to hide in the woods, you should do what our forefathers did and make a stand and fight. That is even if this scenario you describe even happens at all. I agree with the fact that most americans are lazy beings controlled by the liberal media, and would not know what to do if anything like that ever happened, but I also know that historically speaking we as a people do not put up w/ crooked goverments. (Revolutionary War) I guess you can take comfort in knowing that while you are "going off the grid" there will be brave patriotic americans willing to give there life for freedom. THATS MY STORY.
 
j williams said:
Dont disregard the United States of America, many have died to give you the freedom to own that handgun, and maybe instead of running off to hide in the woods, you should do what our forefathers did and make a stand and fight.... I guess you can take comfort in knowing that while you are "going off the grid" there will be brave patriotic Americans willing to give there life for freedom. THATS MY STORY.
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I am not "running off to hide." I live in Florida, which is a big peninsula. What I am doing is relocating myself to a place that has ample wilderness. Vermont also allows people to carry arms without a permit. I could pay almost $200 in a CC course and carry in the state of Florida and any reciprocity state, but they only apply to people who have a valid residence. In my situation, I don't make enough money to quickly find a job and rent. I am not even planning that anyways due to a lot of factors (too many to list without playing a violin). I am severely patriotic, and I realize people fought and died for the 2nd Amendment (even though the recent Supreme Court fiasco on its interpretation was a joke). You are preaching to the choir. My main purpose is to pray and REALLY get back in touch with the astral nature of our very beings.
Eventually, if I have lived long enough out in the wild, I will come back and show people what I have learned, if I learned anything at all and if people will listen. More than likely by then, if you don't have a national ID on your person, you can go to prison. I will make them kill me by fighting until I can't anymore. I understand about fighting for freedom. I know this and plan on doing that, but not until I have "made my peace," first... ya'dig?
 
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