I don't know what is so convoluted about iTunes. You put your CD in the computer. It copies it and ejects it. You plug in your iPod. Drag the music files to the iPod and after they transfer listen to the music. Tough?
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I don't know what is so convoluted about iTunes. You put your CD in the computer. It copies it and ejects it. You plug in your iPod. Drag the music files to the iPod and after they transfer listen to the music. Tough?
Chad
I'm totally with you on that one. Honestly I don't know anyone that doesnt use Itunes. its soooo simple yet has a lot of great features. That other guy is just anti-apple
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He's not alone (or I'm not alone, I don't know who you referred to), and personally I don't know anyone in my school/friends/family who uses iTune. And I'm anti-Apple because they just do average and very limited products they sell a bit too expensive just because they have a fashionable user interface.
Most sheeple just buy iPod because they think that it's the perfect player for everyone (mostly because Apple does a lot of good commercials IMHO), and don't even know other brands make very competitive players.
Some of those sheeple even talk about iPod when they talk about DAP, even if it's another brand of DAP ("wow, I got a Sony iPod, the sound is great but it's not white, that sucks"... sorry for the exaggeration).
Just because you think you know what's the best doesn't mean you're right, mostly if you're not reading stuff about the topic regularly.
I don't mean you're a sheeple, I guess the iPod fits your needs just perfect, but for example my Cowon M5L just beats any iPod for anything but colorfulness and size (well, it's still smaller and thinner than a cassette player).
I'm clearly an anti-Apple but i'm against this brand a bit more every time I hear some guy claiming they do the best in the world and gives me as a proof the fact that it's what everybody has. I don't meet Apple geeks often but most of the ones I've met are the classical smug ones, who laugh at you because you have a PC, a non-Apple DAP, etc... I still have to meet a Microsoft geek, maybe they are the same.
people only comparing the two brands they've seen on TV to choose a DAP limit themselves a lot IMHO.
Well afterwards, my post is maybe a bit aggressive, I'm sorry if I hurt anyone.
I don't use Itunes. It does not do what I want to do how I want it done. It makes poor quality copies of the music by default. I suppose there are settings to improve the bitrate and rip quality but every Itunes user I know in-the-flesh doesn't know how to make a high quality rip of their music.
For example, one of my oldest CDs from 1985 has degraded to become mostly unplayable particularly on the last half of the disc. Yet I was able to rip it and get a copy I can't detect errors in. I get similar high quality rips on all my discs. Itunes can't handle that.
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If you've ever tried to find the music on your ipod on a computer without itunes, you'd see what people are complaining about. Also I've had people rip songs with itunes and try to send them to me, only to find out that I can't play them on my computer because I don't have the rights to it.
Same here. In my opinion the iPods are a great product and iTunes just works well. Sure the default ripping options aren't high quality but with about a half dozen mouse clicks that can be changed.
The previous poster who recommended against buying a refurbished iPod probably hasn't ever had to deal with their returns department. My girlfriends refurb died and with 10 minutes on the Apple website and my CC number for security the RMA was complete. In 2 days a new iPod arrived with a prepaid return envelope to send the dead one back in. Apple has probably the most simple RMA process of any company I've dealt with.
As for the DRM on purchased songs thats because you're not supposed to be sending them to friends. Its pretty simple really. Now the one thing I do get frustrated with is that protected files can't be burned to an MP3 CD without burning it to a standard audio CD and ripping it back in MP3 format but hopefully they will change that soon.
I don't use iTunes myself but I wind up having to deal with it quite often because my little sister does.btuner said:
Besides it's very subpar collection management and low-quality DRMed mp4 files, it has been crap at burning CDs (won't do it as the case happens to be, despite reinstalling, upgrading, and reinstalling everything imaginable--roxio can burn cds just fine), and I would have quite an extensive list of other things to complain about if I had it sitting in front of me right now.
In order for her to play her CDs in the car I have to go through and de-DRM them, convert them to mp3, then burn them for her in Roxio. It's a process a bit too complicated for her to pick up so when I'm at school she basically can only listen to iTunes files on her ipod.
If people didn't keep giving her iTunes store cards I would remove it altogether.
The greatest non-minimalist music library management program I have encountered thus far is Amarok. Unfortunately, it does not run on Windows as of yet, but unto itself it is IMHO opinion more than enough justification for switching to Linux.
Dont knock itunes just because you dont know how to use it properly and didnt take the 5 seconds to look in the settings and change the import quality to a higher bit rate:jerkit:
i know tons of people that dont know really anything about computers and yet never had one that couldnt figure out itunes, i just reached over 21,000 songs on my itunes and most of my friends turn to me, on a daily basis, for new music, and updates on their current collections. ive tryed almost every music software and none have come close to itunes ease and function
I've never set it up and never used it. I don't have an Ipod. I'm basing my comments on my experience with its users. I admitted in my post it could probably rip at reasonable rates.
But there is much more to ripping a CD well than just bitrates. Take a look at Exact Audio Copy, a slick little bit of freeware.
Phil
But there is much more to ripping a CD well than just bitrates. Take a look at Exact Audio Copy, a slick little bit of freeware.
Phil
The guy who kept talking about Apple and "Sheeple" got me smiling. I would think that someone who stuck with MS because it's what 90% of the world uses would be more accurately described as a "Sheeple".
I used MS for years. Finally after my laptop crashed and burned taking everything with it for the umteenth time I bought a Mac. Not once have I regretted that decision.
Not only am I able to spell check this post by right clicking on a word, but I am able to find plenty of free and cheap programs to run. Not as many as there are for Windows, but still there is alot.
People are scared of what they don't know so they say Apple is over priced (feature for feature it's comprable or cheaper than a Windows unit) or hard to use or for geeks and hackers. None of those things are true. Apple also offers the exact same warranty for their refurbished items as for their new.
I don't know how bad the default setting on iPod rips is. It is very easy to set it up for lossless transfer. I'm not saying that iTunes is perfect, I don't like how it takes over as the automatic music player, but like I said, I am using an Apple computer.
Chad
I used MS for years. Finally after my laptop crashed and burned taking everything with it for the umteenth time I bought a Mac. Not once have I regretted that decision.
Not only am I able to spell check this post by right clicking on a word, but I am able to find plenty of free and cheap programs to run. Not as many as there are for Windows, but still there is alot.
People are scared of what they don't know so they say Apple is over priced (feature for feature it's comprable or cheaper than a Windows unit) or hard to use or for geeks and hackers. None of those things are true. Apple also offers the exact same warranty for their refurbished items as for their new.
I don't know how bad the default setting on iPod rips is. It is very easy to set it up for lossless transfer. I'm not saying that iTunes is perfect, I don't like how it takes over as the automatic music player, but like I said, I am using an Apple computer.
Chad
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I'm happy to make you smile, but I think you misunderstood my post. Of course most MS users are, as you say, more effectively described as sheeple, but by sheeple I meant people who don't even know other alternatives to Microsoft products than Apple's. A guy who hasn't tried Linux before trying Apple's stuff (it's FREE, is it that scary to try it?) is still IMHO a sheeple (except for the people who complain about PC hardware, if that's the hardware they don't like, it's comprehensible that they don't even try Linux). There are a lot of Linux distributions that are very user-friendly (I use one of them, Ubuntu, free, powerful, very simplified yet able to be used as a more complicated linux if the need arises). I still use Microsoft's Windows XP for video games (I'm not a console player), but I have no need for a Mac, Ubuntu does everything I want except for video games, which is a big weak point shared with MacOS.
I don't use all the Windows packed-in software, I have VLC for playing video, Foobar2000 for music, Firefox for internet browsing (I have easily installed 2 dictionaries with FF, English and my native language: French, by the way. It helps me a lot for some English words I don't spell well)
You say people are scared of what they don't know, do you have only tried Linux? if not, get an Ubuntu live CD, and boot with it, you'll see how easy and friendly it is, and if you have a question, a problem or whatever, you'll see the community is at least as helpful as Apple's.
One thing I read in another post I didn't think of, BTW, is that you can only read your file with your iPod, that's a sick idea, I've even head somewhere else that if you change your iPod, you have to buy again the files you had bought for your previous iPod, is it true? (I personally consider this as an Anti-Apple propaganda, it's too stupid for Apple to have done it).
But the fact you can't play your files on your computer (say, with Foobar2000 or Winamp, or for heretics (just kidding), Windows Media Player), or on another DAP is just stupid, what if I don't want to bring my hard drive iPod for a jogging and I want to bring a flash DAP, of another brand? The only thing I can do is to hack the files so they are open to everyone, even if I'm not going to share them with anybody it's illegal, and that's a big problem of iTunes.
When I want to buy music I buy the CD (in order to be able to get lossless compression), but if I were to buy mp3s on the net, I wouldn't buy DRM'd or protected ones, there are websites that offer watermarked files so that if they find the mp3 on P2P networks they know that it's you who have shared it and can sue you. The supreme advantage of this method is that you're not limited to only one music source, you can use whatever you like to read it, can read it far from home on another computer, etc...
kr1 > Happy to see you're happy with your Zen Vision W, if you have a problem with this player, don't hesitate to post about it
I've been considering one of those as well, i have the stubby version with 30GB and it is my mp3 player of choice. A good piece of advice is if the device had a thin layer of something translucent attached to teh screen don't take it off, and iff you did within a day or two go buy a screen protector. I've love my zen but it got the holy heck scratched out of it by myself using a shirt to try to clean the screen.
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I've had good results polishing scratched screens with metal polish (the one I use for leather stropping) on a piece of cloth. got a very scratched phone screen and a lightly scratched DAP remote control screens back to near perfect condition this way (I hadn't enough courage to get the biggest scratches off on the phone, the remote was scratchless though, and still perfectly transparent)
I haven't removed the screen protector yet. When I do I already have screen protector material I can use. I use it on my GPS already. Thanks for the tip though.
KR
This is a screen protector I've found to be very robust. www.theinvisibleshield.com If you can scratch the protector, they'll replace it.
They make protectors for most devices on the market and will do custom jobs as well.
Phil
They make protectors for most devices on the market and will do custom jobs as well.
Phil