Is Benchmade Black class Axis lock, different than the other classes axis lock?

Cold Kill said:
VG-10 and 154CM run circles around AUS-8. I compared the Endura and the Griptilian because they are similar style and practically large. You cannot say a knife is better because of where it is made, judging on location is a ridiculous bias. Japan is known for making some of the best knives in the world, and the Endura is made with an Japanese steel, so your bias actually works against you. The Japanese made knife should, under the location bias, automatically be better than an American knife.
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I'm not biased, I own both Benchmade and Spyderco knives and like them a lot. I was saying that from what I've seen and personally purchased that a knife made in the USA is more costly. I never said anything bad about the Endura or said anything about Japan being inferior.
 
Cold Kill said:
You bst judge a company by their lower-end products. Big whoop if their high-end products are good, they better be for the premium prices. If the low-end products are good, then the company sticks by their values, and purely wants to provide quality products to everybody. 154CM is essentially VG-10 for most all of its qualities, but you can buy an Endura for $50 new if you look hard, with the nearly 4in. blade. The regular Griptillian is like $70 new if you look hard, and has a 3.5in. blade (about 1/4in. shorter). Purely for the specs of those two (factoring in maximum size and value), the Endura packs a lot more for the price.

I would like to note that I compared these two in an unbiased fashion, contrary to what people will think. I will say that the BM only has one real edge over Spyderco, the axis lock. The slightly better lock is not work dangerously slippery handles (compared to the Endura) and like $20 more.
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Why on earth would I listen to you when you voice opinions about knives you do not possess? That smacks of being a troll.

I have knives from both Benchmade and Spyderco. I agree with FlaMtnBkr. I find them comparable in price vs value.
 
Coldkill, I really am not trying to be rude or mean, but the majority of posts from you I have read are really ignorant. I can gurantee you there are many people with the same impression. Sure, everyone has opinions, but you really should practice trying to develop yours before posting them. You really are getting borderline troll and it really won't fly around here. Read more, post less. ;)
 
I view Spyderco vs. Benchmade as similar to Ford vs. Chevy. Both offer quality at most ends of the price spectrum. I have owned and own both and both brands have served me well.
 
Some of the black class knives have the omega springs in the Axis lock work backwards from the others. At least the 806/805 did. In the Grip, the springs are pushed closed when you pull the lock bar back. In the 806/805 the springs are pulled open. No funtional difference, and it's mainly dictated by the design of that particular handle. Oh, and FWIW, my Blue Class Benchmades have always out cut my Spydercos. Grip, 805, vs. a Delica 3 and Delica 4. Cut with less effort and held an edge just as long, maybe a little longer, but not enough to make a difference in used.
 
ono724 said:
Why is that every time a Benchmade thread is posted, the fangs come out?? :rolleyes:
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People get overly defensive over their favorite companies. Just like if you knock Apple to a Mac fan, many times they can actually become violent. People get way too worked up over a company. If the person getting all worked up just vanished, unless they were good friends with somebody high in the company, said company would never know, nor care. The only time a company really cares about us is when we are unhappy and have gone out of our way to contact customer support.

Benchmade is not a bad company, and I will buy one of their knives as soon as my debit card shows up (just opened my account today), just so I can have one (and I really like the blade shape and lock of the Griptilian). If you actually get emotional or defensive about criticism of a company, then you are taking it too far. If you are a fan of a company, take the criticism with a grain of salt and look at it objectively. Do not resort to insults or attacks, because the company you are defending just looks worse when you do so.
 
I can look at a company objectively and see both positive and negative traits. I have praised both Spyderco and Benchmade but I also point out any negatives when it is pertinent to the topic.

Many of us were only pointing out that the materials and quality of Spyderco and Benchmade are actually really similar. If cost were the only issue you had you would not be hesitant to buy a grip if there were a good deal like you mentioned. We aren't making the company look bad. Just setting the record straight on a subject many of us agree on, which is the price and value of Benchmade knives. I'm personally not a fanboy and have no problem pointing out flaws they have.

People find it suspect when someone trashes on a company when they don't even own any of their knives and have real experience and can comment on that experience. When you don't own any of the product and you repeatedly talk down on the company then you are just a hater and if you do it enough, borderline troll.

Trying to turn the thread around to make people who have experience with the product sound like the bad guy doesn't make what has been said any less true, and I think everyone sees it for what it is.
 
Well spoken, FlMtnBkr.

I have no favorite companies. But, I do call BS on people who print nonsense.
 
Cold Kill, listen up, because you need to heed this advice. Listen to what you have already been told by these guys. You've been here all of three months, and a lot of what you have posted is boderline trolling. Trolling here WILL get you banned quickly. You really, really need to do more READING here than typing. Simply regurgitating what you read does not mean you are understanding it. Do yourself a favor and read more and post less. You are likely on the verge of getting yourself banned. Just sayin'.

Getting back on track (to the slightly derailed topic), Spyderco and Benchmade are both fantastic companies IMO. I have too many knives (that I love) made by both of them. In general, I think Benchmades are a little better made, however, Spyderco has really stepped it up in the last few years. I still prefer Benchmade a little bit, but that is because I love the Axis lock. I think a person could do FAR worse than these two companies, and for production folders I highly recommend them both (along with Kershaw).
 
From the Bay:
Manix 2 $70.
Endura $55. Delica $55.
Griptilian $80. Mini Griptilian $80.
Ak47 $70. Mini Ak47 $55.

Materials and workmanship aren't everything:) But, I think the grips are worth the premium, i.e., I would pay $80 for a delica with the axis lock, and I would only pay $55 for a mini grip with a back lock...
 
I don't think any of us can do a production cost comparison between Benchmade knives and similar Spyderco knives. But I think the perception that Benchmade is more expensive than Spyderco is fair, if only because you'll find a lot more Benchmade knives priced at $150 and above than you will Spydercos at that price point. And I'm not even taking the Gold class into account.

Are they worth the premium? That's up to the particular purchaser. And since Benchmade is able to sell its products pretty easily, it seems most purchasers are at least OK with the pricing overall. Particular knives might present pricing problems. Comments on the Spyderco site sound like some people think the Junior is overpriced, for example. Some Benchmade knives might be in the same boat, such as the 755, which seems to be dropping in price on some websites.
 
Panel said:
From the Bay:
Manix 2 $70.
Endura $55. Delica $55.
Griptilian $80. Mini Griptilian $80.
Ak47 $70. Mini Ak47 $55.

Materials and workmanship aren't everything:) But, I think the grips are worth the premium, i.e., I would pay $80 for a delica with the axis lock, and I would only pay $55 for a mini grip with a back lock...
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From a very popular online knife retailer:

Manix 2 $78
Griptilian $67
Mini Grip $60

The Manix looks to have come down a little in price as it was about 10 bucks more awhile back from what I remember when looking at them. The Grips have been about that price for the last couple years and may be a few bucks more than before the switch to MAPP pricing. As long as you buy from a store that sells below MAPP pricing their prices haven't changed much. Dealing with a store you don't have to mess with EBay and auctions and questionable sellers and you get good prices and a reputable seller that will fix any problems that may arise. I think all 3 knives are worth these prices and even more compared to some other companies and what you get with them.
 
The axis sees its way into many designs for one reason... a good, solid, lockup can be achieved with (compared to other designs) sloppy tolerances. The last axis lock knife I will ever buy is sitting in my top drawer with a broken omega spring. They are fine knives, but in my experience & use... flawed. Benchmade makes a fine knife, but the best of their lineup is still what they cut their teeth on... the Balisong.
 
I like Benchmade ANNNNNDDD Spyderco :D I also just got a cold steel and.. I know this is sacrilegious, but I like it too. :D

Seriously though, make judgements based on the knives.
 
You slander eBay too quickly:( Who is the very popular online retailer that "must not be named"?
 
Slander requires it being untrue.

They must not be named... no one wants candy.
 
archieblue said:
The axis sees its way into many designs for one reason... a good, solid, lockup can be achieved with (compared to other designs) sloppy tolerances. The last axis lock knife I will ever buy is sitting in my top drawer with a broken omega spring. They are fine knives, but in my experience & use... flawed. Benchmade makes a fine knife, but the best of their lineup is still what they cut their teeth on... the Balisong.
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Just curious as to why you think the lock is flawed? It is my favorite lock because of its design, ease of use, strength, and because its ambidexterous. Benchmade can make knife parts to fairly high tolerances so any "slop" in the lock was designed to be there, though after using, examining, and taking them apart I can't say I would call any of the numerous knives I owned as having a "sloppy" lock.

There have been about 30 people over the last decade that have reported a broken omega spring actually happening to them according to the search feature, and its usually just mentioned as a possibility when brought up. I would be willing to bet the percentage of knives that have had an omega spring failure are so low as to be statistically zero. I flip my knife open and closed hundreds of times a day when I'm killing some time and need to fidget with something and I am one of those 30ish people that reported a failure. It doesn't worry me though, because it has only happened once when over half of my EDC knives are AXIS locks and I made a new one in ten minutes with a piece of 0.025" MIG welding wire and 2 pairs of needle nose pliers.

I'm just curious why others consider the lock flawed. I really don't think the only reason they use their "flawed" "sloppy tolerance" knives is because it is easy to make them work good while not having to keep any tolerances during their manufacture. I would also be curious where exactly the slop in the tolerances are located and what lock type is vastly superior.
 
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