Is CarbonFiber material of the future?... perhaps sure yes!

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:::::But i found this interesting thing, swedish army built military SHIP´s from CarbonFiber!!!
They wrote here, that this ship called corvette "Visby" cost almost 200,000,000 dollars, its sandwich carbon fiber body, corvette have four gas turbines - 16,000kW, plus two diesel engines 2600kW, is very light, they wrote its 40% weight, than steel ship, very fast on the sea, lenght is 73 meters, a lot of automatic cannons Bofors, caliber 57mm, anti airplane missiles (all these systems can be hidden to inside, from board) and very strong anti submarine system, with some special deep-sea mines ..
In the corvette is hidden one combat helicopter and mostly important thing, what they write is, that boat is stealth technology, is unseen on the sea, for radars and etc..
Whole ship have not right angles, its some stealth technology or so ...
Swedish army said, that this ship was developed against russians squadrons and against russian nuclear submarines-cold war, but now when they have finished ship, is not needed against russians :) so these ships will guard swedish and EU waters ...

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---I hope, that in the future i will have car from CarbonFiber, who know ... or furniture, or so :D :D
 
Many racing machines and some high end production vehicles utilize CF technology already.
 
I see many bicycle frames made of CF, the frame can cost a few US$K.

Recently one of my country's missile boats partially made of CF collided with a container ship and was cut in half.

I don't know if this means that CF is good or bad in that application.

I have one CF dragonfly, and I've always liked the William Henry CF series, but I never bought one. I think their CF is not flat, but carved into shape, with relief.

"Visby" is also the name-place of a well-known medieval battle which is referred to by european historic martial arts people when they want to study the effects of historic weapon injuries and effectiveness against armour. That's because many of the corpses were buried with maille and leather armour on, instead of being stripped.

Cheers
 
Carbon Fiber and other composites absorb radar. The B-2 and F-117 and F-22 are made from composites. The boat in that picture looks like a concept of a "stealth boat". And of course, they're extremely strong, ridged, and lightweight.

As for cars, I believe Bugattis and the McLaren F1 are made largely from CF.
 
I know there must be a reason why I need a knife that absorbs radar... :)
 
Planterz said:
As for cars, I believe Bugattis and the McLaren F1 are made largely from CF.
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Correct, and that is older cars. (At least in "Super-Car" terms...they seem to get outdated at being the best quick.) The McLaren is from the late 90's and Bugatti hasn't released a car in a while.

CF is used even more extensively on some of the newer "Super-Cars" and as for F1 cars...CF is almost old tech. :eek:
-Kevin
 
04 Mercedes/McLaren SLR has a body made of almost 100% CF. Not the top end machine the F1 was, but probably an overall more advanced and better car.
 
I have both a Police model and a Delica in carbon fiber. Love them both!
 
Dirk said:
04 Mercedes/McLaren SLR has a body made of almost 100% CF. Not the top end machine the F1 was, but probably an overall more advanced and better car.
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The Porshce Carrera GT goes even farther. Not only is the whole body CF, but the subframe housing the engine is CF. :eek:

The McLaren SLR, I'm willing to wager, would take an F1 on the track. The accelaration figures are higher on the F1, as is the topspeed. That said, the McLaren SLR has a more advanced frame, better suspension, better brakes, and state of the art yaw/traction control systems. BUT, the Ferrari Enzo could take either of them. Long live Ferrari!! :D

Hey Dirk, even the McLaren MP4-19B is going to bow to the Ferrari F2004 this weekend in Germany, wouldn't you say? :D Long live the McLaren/Ferrari rivalry! It makes for great cars.
-Kevin
 
Yes,
Carbon fiber is the material of the future.. used in Cars, bikes, plains ships etc. but in my view not as handle material...
It looks good yes but its to slippery and you have not a good grip for a all day hard use knife or for a selfdefense knife..

Martin
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Carbon fiber (resin impregnated layers of woven carbon fabric) has been used extensively in the defense and aerospace industries for the last 30+ years, and it's a common material today. Everything seems to be designed with more and more carbon fiber parts these days because of its superior weight to strength characteristics compared to metals...and the costs have declined dramatically.
The material of the future is intelligent fabrics, that physically change in response to external circumstances. There will be some mind blowing materials coming out this decade that will make carbon fiber seem like pig iron. Technology is moving exponentially. Sit back and enjoy the ride. :eek:
 
Depending on how the carbon fiber is finished really determines it's suitability as a handle material. Left smooth and flat, it is mediocre, at best. Most don't like to go the extra step to really finish it properly. Very nasty stuff when it gets airborn.

The Carrera GT and the SLR definitely have to be at the top of the list for advanced cars. If you have seen any of the Top Gear videos, they are the fastest cars around their test track. Blowing away everything else by 3 seconds or more. Including a few Ferrari's. No Enzo was tested. I have read in a couple of places the Enzo isn't quite the F-1 car with fenders they were hoping for. Handling is not where they thought it would be. The McLaren F-1 turned out to be a disapointing race car. For the price tag, it wasn't worth the effort.

Ferrari will take top spot. Michael will again work his majic on the in laps and out laps and keep Kimi, Reubens, Juan, Trulli, and Button behind him. I am getting that itch that tells me we might get a surprise for this race. Maybe a Sauber or Jag might sneak a podium in there.
 
Dirk said:
The Carrera GT and the SLR definitely have to be at the top of the list for advanced cars. If you have seen any of the Top Gear videos, they are the fastest cars around their test track. Blowing away everything else by 3 seconds or more. Including a few Ferrari's. No Enzo was tested. I have read in a couple of places the Enzo isn't quite the F-1 car with fenders they were hoping for. Handling is not where they thought it would be. The McLaren F-1 turned out to be a disapointing race car. For the price tag, it wasn't worth the effort.

Ferrari will take top spot. Michael will again work his majic on the in laps and out laps and keep Kimi, Reubens, Juan, Trulli, and Button behind him. I am getting that itch that tells me we might get a surprise for this race. Maybe a Sauber or Jag might sneak a podium in there.
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Then Enzo can take a Carrera GT on a track, assuming driver skill is the same. I'll give you the performance figures. The handling is astounding, so I'm not sure where you heard otherwise:

Ferrari Enzo
Price as tested: $652,830
V12 producing 650 horsepower
0-60mph: 3.3 seconds
0-100mph: 6.6 seconds
1/4 mile: 11.1 seconds at 133mph
top speed: 218mph
braking from 60mph: 109ft.
braking from 80mph: 188ft.
skidpad: 1.01 g's (note this handling figure)
slalom course: 73mph (note this handling figure)
fuel mileage: 13.3mpg

Porsche Carrera GT
price as tested: $460,400
V-10 producing 605hp
0-60mph: 3.6 seconds
0-100mph: 7.0 seconds
1/4 mile: 11.3 seconds at 131.6mph
top speed: 205mph
braking from 60mph: 124ft.
braking from 80mph: 199ft.
skidpad: .99g's (slightly less grip then Ferrari)
slalom course: 71.1mph (changes direction through cones slower then Ferrari)
fuel mileage: 11.0mpg


So as you can see the Ferrari knocks the Porsche out in performance and in todays high gas price world, HAS BETTER FUEL MILEAGE TOO! ;)

Agreed, Ferrari and Micheal will take top honors. I would wager another Ferrari 1-2 finish. Jaguar with a podium spot? I don't know...maybe though. I'll go with maybe Kimi and his new McLaren in 3rd or possibly Jenson Button taking another podium for BAR/Honda.

Sadly, I will be in Vermont hiking for a week and playing with my knives, so I will not be able to see the race till I get back, unless SPEED is an available channel up there.. Ok, maybe a week playing with knives in the woods isn't so sad after all! :cool: It will stink to miss the race live though... Thank god for VCR's!
-Kevin
 
Oh, forgot the say, the source for the above information is Road&Track. The best of the big car magazines IMHO. I have performance figures for the McLaren F1 as well if anyone is interested:

Ameritech McLaren F1
price as tested: $1,131,120
V12 producing 627 horsepower
0-60mph: 3.4 seconds
0-100mph: 7.7 seconds
1/4 mile: 11.6 at 125mph
top speed: 231mph
braking from 60mph: 127ft.
braking from 80mph: 215ft.
skidpad: .86g's
slalom: 64.5mph
fuel mileage: 11.5mpg

Top speed is phenominal and accelaration isn't that far down from the Porsche or Ferrari, but you can see in terms of braking and handling it's not even in the same league as the newer cars. Lets put it this way... a Dodge Neon SRT-4 has a slight edge on the McLaren F1 in handling and braking. That Neon price as tested: $19,995. :D
-Kevin
 
I'll dig around for the info on the Enzo. There were a couple of drivers that weren't impressed. Although I didn't say the numbers weren't good, I said it fell short of expectations. Ferrari wanted better. That I saw on a program on Speed about 6 or 7 months ago. The problem with at the limit cars like these is that you have to find drivers whose style fit the car and will like the car. If a drivers doesn;t like to car or it doesn't fit there style, you won't get the best out of the car. That's treating them as street cars without setting them up for a given driver.

Neon SRT is a monster for the price tag! I seriously thought about getting one over my Sti. Save me lot's of money that I could throw into tuning. I had a 97 Neon ACR. Great fun to drive. Easy to push to limit. I knew exactly where the limit was and it was very impressive for a $15,000 car. Sti won out, well, becaue it is an Sti. :cool:

The podium you list is the most likely scenario. I just get the felling there will be a surprise. We are due for some more this season.

Spyderco should sponsor a race team. Maybe a Formula Vee, Star Mazda, Barber Dodge. Then out fit the team with Spyderco knives! :D
 
Dirk,
That's very true. Driver and car have to mesh well or their will be problems. I would love to see more info on the Enzo. Damn, if Ferrari was dissapointed with it, I wonder what they were shooting for?! It's allready the fastest production car in the world around a track. Can't wait till their next super car. :eek:

You have an STI? ::Impressed:: Fastest producion car in the $30,000 range! ;) I have a Subaru too... a 1990 Legacy! :o Haha, it's still a blast to drive and has over 173,000 miles on it. I bought it off my uncle for $1,700 and had to replace the origional clutch. Thats it, all else is still 14 years old and running fine. I woudln't worry about reliability if I was you. :)

Suprises are good and welcome. We could use someone new on podium. I wouldn't mind seeing BAR/Honda grab their first win! Go Jenson!! I'm actually looking forward to seeing how the new McLaren does. It seems Kimi outpaced everyone but Micheal in France.

Sal are you listening? Sponser a team!! :D (not F1 obviously, but some small feeder series. Maybe even a bigger one like Atlantics or Formula Ford if you have extra money lieing around :) )
-Kevin
 
BAR deserves a win, but if Honda did detune the engine for Sato and they are also saying Button probably got a bit of a detune, then that isn't looking likely. Maybe they'll give BAR a monster engine for Japan. Shoot for a win on home soil.

I would love to see the best drivers take the top supercars and out them all on the track for a good European style touring car race. Wouldn't care who won, that would just be a wild race to watch!

Carbon fiber blade on a Spyderco. A Warren Thomas collaboration! :cool:
 
Dirk said:
BAR deserves a win, but if Honda did detune the engine for Sato and they are also saying Button probably got a bit of a detune, then that isn't looking likely. Maybe they'll give BAR a monster engine for Japan. Shoot for a win on home soil.

I would love to see the best drivers take the top supercars and out them all on the track for a good European style touring car race. Wouldn't care who won, that would just be a wild race to watch!

Carbon fiber blade on a Spyderco. A Warren Thomas collaboration! :cool:
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Good Idea with a race for the supercars! Kimi could drive the SLR, Micheal the Enzo, Trulli the Skyline, Jenson the NSX... :D That would be fun! It would be hilarious to see Panis in the Camry :p
-Kevin
 
SpeedChannel rebroadcasts the race late in the evening.
9 or 10 pm on the East Coast.
:D
 
Ebbtide said:
SpeedChannel rebroadcasts the race late in the evening.
9 or 10 pm on the East Coast.
:D
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Very true, but my problem this weekend is I don't know if they have SPEED channel in my condo in Vermont... :( I will set the VCR to tape it either way.

I wouldn't even need the rebroadcast becuase I make sure to watch every race live, even the damn late night/early morning ones at the beginning and end of the season. :D I love the rebroadcasts though, becuase it is some of the only good TV on that late. I would rather see the race twice then watch most any other channel. ;)

So I believe we have totally hijacked this thread Dirk and Ebbtide... :footinmou :D
-Kevin
 
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