is cliff stamp wrong?

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It seems that Cliff is the only guy who is doing real testing of knife steels.why is it that so many say talonite rules and cliff says that it sucks
 
you really expect us to answer that?
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No, he isn't, from my point of view. Steel is stronger than Talonite.

In a small utility knife that you are not going to use as a splitting maul or a piton, Talonite can't be out performed. You practically never have to clean or sharpen it. For a knife that you can run sharp and push right to the edge of extreme use, steel is king, but you have to maintain it.
 
A common use for a knife, at least by some, is punching holes in metal cans, opening cans of food, and punching holes in the tops of steel drums, etc., in addition to breaking joints. I have the impression that stellite 6BH (Talonite ?) or 6k won't hold up too well with such use.
 
Originally posted by johno:
A common use for a knife, at least by some, is punching holes in metal cans, opening cans of food, and punching holes in the tops of steel drums, etc., in addition to breaking joints. I have the impression that stellite 6BH (Talonite ?) or 6k won't hold up too well with such use.
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A Swiss Army style knife with a can opener blade works much, MUCH, better than any other knife for opening cans. With the exception of the big steel drums that is. If you want to open steel drums with something other than a tool intended for it, I would suggest one of the Strider knives, in steel, or maybe a TAC-10/11. Or various others. But, I can't help but think that even in that case, there is a tool more appropriate for that job that would be available. Unless you're deployed at the "front", maybe? But, I wonder how many people on these forums have actually had to even open a steel drum, let alone needing to do it in extremis. I'm sure some have, but I bet not many.
 
Originally posted by e_utopia:
Because Cliff thinks every knife should be used as a hatchet
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I disagree about "he thinks every knife"... Especially that I have seen Talonite Choppers & other large blades made of talonite, as well as earlier msgs here on blade forum asking how well Talonite chopper would perform. So, IMHO, it was not only Cliff's idea to chop with Talonite blade, a year or so ago quite a few people were interested in that. Somehow all those people got an impression that Talonit e would perform good as a chopper, right?

Besides Cliff doesn't say Talonite sucks, the way I understand Cliff is that Talonite is not as good as it was thought from the begining (as a knife blade material). Doesn't meet all the expectations, so to say
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While my 25 ? year old P38 on my keyholder works fine on cans, it's much slower than using a knife and still won't put a couple of holes in a can. Besides, the real point is that there are concessions to relying upon a relatively soft all purpose cutting tool like a knife, regardless of how well it wears.
 
As to the statement "It seems that Cliff is the only guy who is doing real testing of knife steels" I know many, many knifemakers that are testing and experimenting, most arent on the forum, or just dont bother posting results or blowing there horn about it.

I have never seen where cliff says Talonite sucks, he just posted the results he got with the knife he has in Talonite. Many others have done the same thing.

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I'm sorry I should not have used the word sucks.What i am saying is that i value Cliff's opinion very much.So thats why i can't figure out why so many people say that talonite rules and cliff says that it is no better than most high end steel.What is he testing for that would make him feel that talonite does not rule?Was it the design of the knive he had?Did it have piss poor geometry or what? I just can't figure it out.I know that Tom,Kit,Rob ect. are all very experienced knife makers.after 20 plus years making knives you can't help but know what you are doing.Why such a drastic difference in opinion?And Rob I in noooo way way tring to discredit you material in fact i have a talonite order in with you right now.

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It depends on how you're going to use the knife. And how much (your life, for instance) relies on the knife holding up in certain extreme circumstances.

There are times a 3" blade does me just fine. But that's not my blade of choice to attack a wild boar with!

Reread Steve Harvey's post.

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Mr. Simonich wrote:

"As to the statement "It seems that Cliff is the only guy who is doing real testing of knife steels" I know many, many knifemakers that are testing and experimenting, most arent on the forum, or just dont bother posting results or blowing there horn about it."
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Some sign every post with an URL to their for profit website. This blows their horn to attract customers. Mr. Stamp signs his posts "Cliff".

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I believe that Rob is back-ordered by two years, and doesn't even take orders at this time.
He doesn't need to blow his horn, his knives (and his customers) seem to do it for him.
Also, while I have not seen him bad-mouth anyone, he has praised and recommended other makers who could be regarded as his competition.

If I were to get my own website, profit-oriented or not, I would include it in my signature, too.

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It's difficult for me to agree with Owen's reasoning. When we advertise we don't usually mean we're rotten.


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Hey Friends!
Don't you think this thread would be in the best place on "Forumite's Behavior Discussion Forum" or even on "Gossip and Quarrel Forum"?
Mike, maybe you could found us these forums to do not litter "Blade Discussion" or "Knife Review and Testing" forums?

As to Talonite, INFI and another "wonder" items - I have some practical advice: do not fall into unjustified fascination and you will not have any reasons to be disappointed later. It is no wonder stuff in this world, no wonder steel, no wonder knife, no wonder gun, no wonder car, etc., etc., etc....

Each item has it's good and bad sides. Try to view from this point and I think you will save yourself a lot of disappointment and frustration.
 
May be of interest, but I am geting a knife made to test Talonite as a good material for a med sized camp knife. It will be a custom scratch built design by myself. I am considering who to get to make it! Tom challenged me to do this. We will see once and for all in an unbiased and honest test whether it works for me anyway!I will report on the 'diary of a knife' and go through, step by step, the
trials a tribulations of designing and getting a custom knife made. Once it
is built I will test it and report on its performance. I and my kind sponsor
Tom, would like to show the group, really what is involved and how well it
aught to go, or not as the case may be. I hope some of you will find this
interesting and of value. If any of you have any suggestions of what you
would like to see or have me do (no rude comments please!)please feel free
to post to the group. I will consider carefully all suggestions, and
appreciate your time.

It is my intention to keep the group up to date and show the newer members,
what knife making and designing is really like. As Tom told me, there is a
lot of bad advice going around in this group (paraphrasing) and many people
run off at the mouth in an ill educated fashion at times! Don`t take offence
I have done that at times also!

Have a good one!

W.A.



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