Is INFI Losing Ground ?

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Anton41Beukes said:
I actually realized how dumb his testing is... every knife he tests is different in geometry and steel which means the testing is not valid.
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And still want to see what will happen lol, like i did with noss videos
Scientifics results are not the goal, it's the "overall performance" under heavy abuse
I found the dt12 and trc results interesting
The op might find partial answers when the video drops
 
Raoh67 said:
And still want to see what will happen lol, like i did with noss videos
Scientifics results are not the goal, it's the "overall performance" under heavy abuse
I found the dt12 and trc results interesting
The op might find partial answers when the video drops
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It's very easy to do well in his testing, all you do is send him a overbuilt knife and it will pass all the tests with flying colors.
 
Steven65 said:
I'm sorry what does that mean........"loosing ground"?

If it means that time has passed and something newer has come along which has properties that may or may not be better then we all need to understand..... that was absolutely bound to happen.

I have a custom made daily use kitchen knife made from 440C which I use all the time, sharpen all the time, and cut with all the time. It works as well today as the day I bought it home from the maker 30 years ago. My steak has no complaints about the fact that it is 440C.

My NMFBM and Skinny ASH are no worse at doing what I need them to do today than they were when Jerry made them 10+ years ago. The steel didn't magically loose its fantastic properties just because a newer and possibly better product has been invented.

I have no doubt that Jerry is constantly working in the background to improve BUSSE's legendary blade properties but the idea that somehow BUSSE is loosing ground because there are new steels out there is preposterous.

INFI was fantastic steel yesterday, is fantastic steel today, and I hope in 100 years someone out there will have my Skinny ASH and will still appreciate what a fantastic knife it is.
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I have several small blades by Micky Yurco in 440C, they are SAS & fantastic cutters
Also have a small bunch of D2 blades by Bob Dozier, also fantastic blades, he is still the king of D2
Many knives by David Mosier in S30V, never chipped one of them, they stay sharp, he heat treats his own steel
Several folders in CM154 by Emerson knives, they hold up great, pretty sure Ernie does his HT in house..?
But none of them are as easy for me to sharpen as INFI, which also keeps rather sharp, & takes all the pounding you can dish out. Also heat treated in house.
How does the saying go? A subpar steel heat treated correctly will outperform a super steel with a subpar heat treat...or something to that effect. Each of the folks & companies I mention above are at or near the top of the game with their preferred steel because of their HT protocols, & none are "super steels".
Performance > Hype 😉🙂
 
shunsui said:
A friend of mine used to work for a company that made cryo equipment that they sold to customers doing cryogenic research (e.g. universities, etc). Their equipment would take test samples very slowly down to extremely low temperatures, and then very slowly back up to room temperature.

To my mind, that's the way to do it.

Dipping a knife in liquid nitrogen... let's just say I prefer the other approach.
YMMV
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I completely agree with you. Dipping a quenched blade in liquid nitrogen can be a recipe for a cracked blade.
 
Laurarium said:
infi is close to A8mod in some percentages but it is not

at least there is nickel and nitrogen
not sure if cobalt is still in
I tend to believe that infi recipe didn't change
I would rather believe in Jerry than some website whose resources is from some random guy using an element analyzer x that probably can't even detect nitrogen
(so called 2009 recipe)
when it comes to analysis ,only the chemical method is for sure accurate
more info

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There has been enough analysis to show that the formula did change, probably right after the original run. There was two INFI formulas at the time, INFI and Mod INFI. Based on my tests that were done by independent business that analyzes metals for a living, I believe that what came after the original run was that everything was done from Mod INFI. Which had no Cobalt in it. I do believe it still has nitrogen. Carbon and nitrogen are low atomic number elements that laser analyzers cannot detect. All the other elements are detectable. Does it matter to me? no. I still think INFI is the best out there and the reason for that is a better HT process than most. I do believe there are other great steels, and the entire 8% Cr series of steels is the best at woodworking than any other. These are wood chipper steels. ModA8, and 3v are two examples of excellent 8% cr steels.
 
shunsui said:
A friend of mine used to work for a company that made cryo equipment that they sold to customers doing cryogenic research (e.g. universities, etc). Their equipment would take test samples very slowly down to extremely low temperatures, and then very slowly back up to room temperature.

To my mind, that's the way to do it.

Dipping a knife in liquid nitrogen... let's just say I prefer the other approach.
YMMV
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Weird, I’ve been dipping my blades into liquid nitrogen for a few years now, and surprisingly, I haven’t had any failures!!! Until you actually use and test the process, don’t necessarily bash what others do. A hell of a lot of makers here do it this way, and have absolutely no issues!! Not all of us can afford to spend the price of a house on equipment! We use what we use. And apparently it’s been working well
 
hugofeynman said:
I completely agree with you. Dipping a quenched blade in liquid nitrogen can be a recipe for a cracked blade.
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Not necessarily. I haven’t had a blade crack or break yet. But I also don’t dip hot blades! They’re cooled in a bucket of water after being plate quenched, then into ln2. It’s all part of a process. You rush anything, you can ruin it! Some makers here have a better process than many manufacturers by far! For example, I only heat treat in batches of 3 knives! Way less chance of an error!
 
shunsui said:
Which brings us back around to: "I'm a big fan of the way Busse does their cryo treatment."

But if you feel dipping your knife in liquid nitrogen improves it in your process, by all means, dip away.
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That’s funny. Do you make knives? Have you made and tested to failure any blades? Have you tested against any makers knives here? I have! And I know the results I’ve gotten!! So you’re telling me that every single maker here on this forum doesn’t know anything? And only busse does it right???? That’s what I’m getting from your little reply!!!
 
shunsui said:
Which brings us back around to: "I'm a big fan of the way Busse does their cryo treatment."

But if you feel dipping your knife in liquid nitrogen improves it in your process, by all means, dip away.
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Also, did I ever say anything about improving a process? I stated the simple fact that it works just fine!! So if we can’t afford what busse has, does that mean that our
Process provides a much lesser blade? Nathan has used dry ice and acetone and has had great results with it! I wouldn’t say his process is a lesser process! Actually pretty much everyone here that makes customs does it the way I do. I’ve never heard their knives aren’t any good because they dunk them in ln2.
 
And that is enough of this too.

Start arguing over stuff that has nothing to do with the original topic and I will close them down.

Want to fight and argue over things go to PM's or some place else
 
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