Is it just me or is the world coming to an end ...

Doesn't sound like the end of the world at all. It would take much more than economic problems to end the world. The world was here when economy wasn't. ;)

Just keep your head cool. Doing that one thing will take one through a lot of things in life.

All kinds of bad things going on in the world, and economic problems really aren't even the worst ones. At the risk of getting my ass kicked to the political forum, I'll say this. You thought the attempts of communism to spread around the globe were bad? Brace yourself for the "religion of peace", because it's coming to get you, and it's going to make economic issues look about as important as the color of toilet paper.

Rather more on topic, I do think there will be a somewhat of a global recession coming up soon. The price of oil is intolerably high, for just one thing.
 
Is there any kind of rational study that determines the 'breaking point' for an economic incentive to truly seek/fund alternative energy resources? I realize that's been on the burner for more than a little while, but at what point do we really hunt down that goal?
 
Elen said:
At the risk of getting my ass kicked to the political forum, I'll say this. You thought the attempts of communism to spread around the globe were bad? Brace yourself for the "religion of peace", because it's coming to get you, and it's going to make economic issues look about as important as the color of toilet paper.
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I was going to write a more lengthy post but erased it. What's the use? If radical Muslims are "coming to get me" it is because the government is far more interested in allowing them into the country as visitors and students.

It's easily nipped in the bud by the total elimination of immigration or visitation from Islamic countries until the more peaceful Muslims that we keep hearing about get their act together and kill the radicals. If they don't then they don't get to g*ddamned see Disneyland or college here. Simple as that, but it won't happen.
 
SpookyPistolero said:
Is there any kind of rational study that determines the 'breaking point' for an economic incentive to truly seek/fund alternative energy resources? I realize that's been on the burner for more than a little while, but at what point do we really hunt down that goal?
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When do they look for alternative energy?

They already have it. But it won't be unvailed untill they have wrung out the last gallon of oil that they can sell at a proffit. Then they will tell the American public "Look what we've just recently developed!"

The oil companies have so much money, that the senators and congressmen getting paid off to table research project money have so much put away thier great grandchildren won't be able to sqaunder it all eveni if they live like Paris Hilton.

If America and the ticks in Washington running the show, really wanted to be independant of arab oil, they could make it happen by this time next year.

But there is too much insane money and power at stake.
 
Don Rearic said:
I was going to write a more lengthy post but erased it. What's the use? If radical Muslims are "coming to get me" it is because the government is far more interested in allowing them into the country as visitors and students.

It's easily nipped in the bud by the total elimination of immigration or visitation from Islamic countries until the more peaceful Muslims that we keep hearing about get their act together and kill the radicals. If they don't then they don't get to g*ddamned see Disneyland or college here. Simple as that, but it won't happen.
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Agreed. Many difficult problems have extremely simple solutions - that often, for some freak reason, are not used before it's too late. In this case, the worst enemies of western countries are their own governments. Go figure, eh? Then again, that may be exactly the case with the economic issues, too. What would we do without politicians, hmm? :D
 
We are holding off purchasing a new home for a while. Looked into a better milage family TDI jetta, but our 01 minivan is paid off. It would take 16 years to make up the difference in the gas savings.
 
jackknife said:
When do they look for alternative energy?

They already have it. But it won't be unvailed untill they have wrung out the last gallon of oil that they can sell at a proffit. Then they will tell the American public "Look what we've just recently developed!"
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I give up. What is it? That carburetor that runs on water like all the hippies used to say the govt and trilateral commission were hiding? Small nuclear reactors? Hydrogen? Flintstone era Al Goremobiles? Let me in on the conspiracy. I promise I won't tell anyone else... or at least any of the bad guys involved in the conspiracy!
 
America is not sinking. The US has a 13 trillion dollar economy, compare that to China's 3 trillion economy. It is now the largest exporter of goods in the world. Yes that is correct the largest importer and exporter. The weak dollar will actually stimulate exports and help the economy. Europe , Canada and the other common wealth nations seize any opportunity to toll the death nell of the United States. There is so much hatred and envy outside of America for the country. It is has been around long before George Bush or the invasion of iraq. So americans get used to it. It is part of doing business as well as we do. There is no doomsday, we are seeing minor corrections in a collosal, intact economy. Look for stronger economic indicators but third qaurter.
 
Maybe by 3rd quarter of 2009. The housing market and Oil company greed will keep the current direction in place for a good 18 months (3-4 months into it now). The media is fueling the hype too, but the reality is that it hits everyone in the wallet, real or not. Gas prices sure, $3.99 for a gallon of milk? Sure...

EVERYTHING has gone up and sharply in the last 3-4 months. At least in the DC Metro area...
 
Jeepnut22 said:
EVERYTHING has gone up and sharply in the last 3-4 months. At least in the DC Metro area...
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Gtaaaggh!! (clutching chest)

Its bad enough that my house is worth 25% less than it was four years ago, but now I'm looking at a relocation (for work) to your neighborhood.

Man, I'm gonna lose my arse on this one...:(

Then again, it might be worth it to get out of Metro Detroit :barf: . Michigan is getting hit bad. Worse than most with manufacturing fleeing the state and a governor that obviously blinked and missed it.

Chris
 
Big deal. People have been hyperventilating about the economy ever since there was an economy. There are ups and downs all the times. Back in the 60's and 70's, when we weren't nearly so wealthy as a country, people did for themselves all the time. For example, my extended family has been composting and growing their own vegetable gardens since my grandparents were kids - back in the 1890's.

Many Americans have unfortunately forgotten those kinds of basics, but not all. Living by sound basic principles hasn't changed.

If you think things look bad now, try talking to a WW2 vet. My Mom was in the Dutch underground, talk about TSHTF scenario. We aren't even close to that.
 
Michigan is getting hit bad.
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Michigan's problems are largely self-inflicted and continued through the 90s and early 21st century despite the rest of the country doing pretty well during that time. As long as they consider Che their primary political influence, it will continue.
 
Don Rearic said:
I was going to write a more lengthy post but erased it. What's the use? If radical Muslims are "coming to get me" it is because the government is far more interested in allowing them into the country as visitors and students.

It's easily nipped in the bud by the total elimination of immigration or visitation from Islamic countries until the more peaceful Muslims that we keep hearing about get their act together and kill the radicals. If they don't then they don't get to g*ddamned see Disneyland or college here. Simple as that, but it won't happen.
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True. I'm far more worried about the price of energy and the price of our involvement in the middle east ruining our economy than the terrorists. Diabetes, Obesity and Smoking kill more in the US every year than all the terrorist attacks so far, but somehow that doesn't warrant an expensive national campaign.:rolleyes:

A national initiative to popularize alternative fuel, public transportation and conservation would do more to protect our nation.

But back to the Survival aspect. Important to be as debt free as possible. Anything you can do to conserve energy and thus reduce your bills do if you can.

Back in the 70's I was in a family of 4. We drove a 4 cylinder car. A lot of people bought wood burners. We had a big garden and canned stuff and ate deer meat. One asset we had was in the 70's it was easier for a family to have 1 parent at home. That saved in child care $$, gas, insurance and that also meant we at most of our meals at home.:thumbup:
 
The world is fine, America is fine, we will all be fine. The economy is working exactly as it should and as it always does. Don't participate in the hype. Hype is what causes the problem to begin with. Hype like the title of this thread.

Easy people, the stone age is not comming back.
 
I am paying $150 - $1.60 a litre for fuel more for diesel , it gets as low as $1.45 if I go toward Sydney some ... and fuel prices are going up , there is about 4 litres to an American gallon IIRC wait till you gotta pay our prices :) hell , in Europe , its double what it costs here , so even tho I got not a lot of sympathy for Americans who are crying , Im feeling VERY VERY lucky for having relatively cheap fuel on tap here

if you got diesel motors , check out oiltodiesel.com . It works , its not a joke .

My plant pics are on that site , I have several 10s of thousands of kms clocked up on free fuel and Im building a bigger still now to cope with making more fuel .. I run part SVO , part cracked old engine oil , but the result is I got free fuel , and the savings are getting only bigger eerytime I drive the bus :)

OTOH , the bus is too dam big for driving everyday , so we still gotta buy petrol and that means we still handing our cash over to Shell and Mobil in big quantities ... that hurts the ol wallet a bit
 
There is a difference between the US coming to an end and the world coming to an end. Here is a situation in which large parts of the world are actually doing well and the US has just weakened a little bit in some areas. It is just the normal result of bad country-management. But the US is still a very strong country (economically as well as "emotionally" - the citizens haven't given up - neither the state nor themselves) so it will bounce back as soon as management improves.

As long as you see throngs of people strolling through the malls and people are willing to spend $5 on their non-fat-vanilla-double-shot-latte-with-chocolade-sprinkles-on-top, there is no reason to panic :D.
 
texastonydobbs said:
We all are like a heard of Buffalo or whatever out in the open feild of life,and you start change your ways ,spooks everybody else and the herd Collapses.
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I would rather not consider myself as being a part of the sheeple herd. :o We do need to change our ways, because the last 100 years of being stupid has allowed institutions such as the Federal Reserve (and many others) to screw us without lubrication and we are still too stupid to even know, much less care. Again, I would rather NOT consider myself as being a part of that herd. No thank you. I opt to spook everybody and hope the damn herd does collapse. We deserve it for allowing this crap to happen in the first place. Most of us Americans are not wise to what really matters in life. I will leave it at that.
 
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